5 Kislev 5776
It has to be said. The refusal of the majority of Jews in the Diaspora to return to Eretz Yisrael is outright rebellion against the will of your Master and King. And there will be a price to pay for this rebellion.
Do not repeat the sin of Adam HaRishon and Chavah who made excuses for themselves. Learn the lesson from their mistake and admit that you are a rebel against the will of your Maker and have sinned by rejecting the wonderful, good and spacious land He has given us in love. And furthermore, that you have made a chillul Hashem by 1) doubting the ability or willingness of your Master and King to provide for you adequately in His own land, and 2) by preferring to live with Eisav rather than with Ya'aqov.
Admit that the problem is with you - not with Hashem or with His Holy Land.
Yechezkel 36:
20 And they entered the nations where they came, and they profaned My Holy Name, inasmuch as it was said of them, 'These are the people of the Lord, and they have come out of His land.'
21 But I had pity on My Holy Name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations to which they had come.
22 Therefore, say to the house of Israel; So says the Lord God: Not for your sake do I do this, O house of Israel, but for My Holy Name, which you have profaned among the nations to which they have come.
23 And I will sanctify My great Name, which was profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord - is the declaration of the Lord God - when I will be sanctified through you before their eyes.
24 For I will take you from among the nations and gather you from all the countries, and I will bring you to your land.
Yechezkel 20:
1 And now it came to pass in the seventh year, in the fifth [month], on the tenth of the month, that certain men of the elders of Israel came to inquire of the Lord and sat before me.
2 Then came the word of the Lord to me, saying:
3 "Son of man, speak to the elders of Israel and say to them: So says the Lord God, Have you come to inquire of Me? As true as I live, I will not be inquired of by you! says the Lord God.
4 Will you contend with them? Will you contend, O son of man? Let them know the abominations of their fathers.
5 And you shall say to them: So says the Lord God, On the day I chose Israel, then I lifted up My hand to the seed of the house of Jacob, and made Myself known to them in the land of Egypt, when I lifted up My hand to them, saying: I am the Lord your God.
6 On that day I lifted up My hand to them to bring them out of the land of Egypt, to a land that I had sought out for them, flowing with milk and honey; it is the glory of all the lands.
7 And I said to them: Every man cast away the despicable idols from before his eyes, and pollute not yourselves with the idols of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.
8 But they rebelled against Me and would not consent to hearken to Me; they did not cast away, every man, the despicable idols from before their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt; and I said to pour out My wrath over them, to give My anger full rein over them, in the midst of the land of Egypt.
9 But I wrought for the sake of My Name so that it should not be desecrated before the eyes of the nations in whose midst they were, before whose eyes I made Myself known to them, to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
10 And I brought them out of the land of Egypt, and I brought them into the wilderness.
11 And I gave them My statutes, and My ordinances I made known to them, which, if a man perform, he shall live through them.
12 Moreover, I gave them My Sabbaths to be for a sign between Me and them, to know that I, the Lord, make them holy.
13 But the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they walked not in My statutes, and they despised My ordinances, which, if a man keep, he will live through them, and My Sabbaths they desecrated exceedingly. Then I said to pour out My wrath upon them in the wilderness, to make an end to them.
14 And I wrought for the sake of My Name, so it should not be desecrated before the eyes of the nations before whose eyes I had brought them out.
15 But I also lifted up My hand to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey; it is the glory of all lands.
16 Because they despised My ordinances, and in My statutes they did not walk, and My Sabbaths they desecrated - for their heart went constantly after their idols.
17 Nevertheless, My eye looked pityingly upon them, not to destroy them, and I did not make an end to them in the wilderness.
18 But I said to their children in the wilderness: 'In the statutes of your fathers do not walk and do not observe their ordinances, and do not defile yourselves with their idols.
19 I am the Lord your God: walk in My statutes, and keep My ordinances and fulfill them.
20 And keep My Sabbaths holy so that they be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.'
21 But the children rebelled against Me; they did not walk in My statutes, and they did not observe My ordinances to perform them, which if a man perform, he shall live through them; My Sabbaths they desecrated, and I said to pour out My wrath upon them, to spend My anger upon them in the wilderness.
22 I drew back My hand and acted for the sake of My Name, that it should not be desecrated before the eyes of the nations, before whose eyes I took them out.
23 I also lifted My hand to them in the wilderness to scatter them among the nations and disperse them in the lands.
24 Because they did not perform My ordinances, and they rejected My statutes and desecrated My Sabbaths, and their eyes were after the idols of their fathers.
25 I, too, gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances through which they should not live.
26 And I defiled them with their gifts, when causing to pass all who open the womb, in order that I lay them desolate, in order that they know that I am the Lord.
27 Therefore, speak to the house of Israel, son of man, and say to them: So said the Lord God, [With] this too, your fathers blasphemed Me when they dealt treacherously with Me.
28 And I brought them to the land, that which I lifted My hand to give to them, and they saw every high hill and every many-branched tree, and they slaughtered there their sacrifices, and they presented the provocation of their offering, and there they placed their pleasing savors, and there they poured their libations.
29 And I said to them: 'What is this high place that you are the ones coming there?' So its name was called Bamah until this day.
30 Therefore, say to the house of Israel: So said the Lord God: Are you defiling yourselves in the way of your forefathers, and are you going astray after their abominations?
31 And when you take your gifts, when you cause your children to pass through the fire, you defile yourselves to all your idols until this day, shall I then be inquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, says the Lord God, I will not be inquired of by you.
32 But what enters your mind shall not come about, what you say, 'Let us be like the nations, like the families of the lands, to serve wood and stone.'
33 As I live, says the Lord God, surely with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm and with poured out fury, will I reign over you.
34 And I shall take you out of the peoples, and I shall gather you from the lands in which you were scattered, with a strong hand and with an outstretched arm and with poured out fury.
35 And I shall bring you to the wilderness of the peoples, and I shall contend with you there face to face.
36 As I contended with your forefathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I contend with you, says the Lord God.
37 And I shall cause you to pass under the rod, and I shall bring you into the transmission of the covenant.
38 And I shall separate from you those who rebel and those who transgress against Me; from the land of their sojournings I shall take them, but to the land of Israel they shall not come, and you will know that I am the Lord.
39 And you, the house of Israel, so said the Lord God: Each man, go worship his idols since you do not hearken to Me, and no longer desecrate My holy Name with your gifts and with your idols.
40 But on My holy mount, on the mountain of the height of Israel, says the Lord God. There all the house of Israel - yea, all of them - will serve Me in the land; there I will accept them, and there I will require your heave offerings and the first of your food with all your hallowed things.
41 With a pleasing savor I shall accept you when I take you out of the nations, and I shall gather you from the lands in which you were scattered, and I shall be hallowed through you before the eyes of the nations.
42 And you will know that I am the Lord when I bring you to the land of Israel, to the land that I lifted My hand to give to your forefathers.
43 And there you will remember your ways and your deeds, with which you have been defiled, and you will quarrel with yourselves because of all your evils that you have done.
44 And you will know that I am the Lord when I do with you for My Name's sake, not according to your evil ways or according to your corrupt deeds, O house of Israel," says the Lord God.
Question.....there are many of us that do want to come home...but where are we going? When we buy our tickets and land in eretz Yisrael then what? No family, no friends, no where to go. Count your blessings you are there many of us are crying everyday still waiting for HaShem to deliver us. We're not all rebellious....we are in exile
ReplyDelete"No family, no friends"? You have 6 million brothers and sisters awaiting your arrival.
DeleteIsrael's Communities Welcome New Olim
"No where to go"? You have your pick of the most beautiful land on the face of this planet - a land flowing with milk and honey.
My Beautiful Israel
The "Built-Up" Israel
It doesn't matter "where", as long as it's HERE.
When you open your file to make aliyah, the Jewish Agency will help you make those decisions.
When I learned in Yeshiva, I was shocked at how it was encouraged to leave Israel and go "strengthen the galut". When I asked what the heter was, I practically got thrown out. Many of the yeshivot in Israel require their best students to leave Israel, and a majority do not return.
ReplyDeleteEsav sold his birthright for a bowl of lentils, Jews in the galut are repeating the action of Esav and taking up residence in the land of Esav and eating from his bowl of lentils (perceived riches). I wonder at what point do people who were born Jewish lose their inheritance by such actions?
ReplyDeleteIn halacha huge weight is given to intent, one who says he intends to make Aliyah but does not act on it but puts it off repeatedly has no real intent. So then what has he or she to stand on?
People who only measure (incorrectly at that) their ability to prosper in the Land are putting western logic ahead of the Torah. The Land and it's Torah are blessed, my family and I have been blessed every day for the last 10 years since coming to Israel. Our standard of living has actually improved and we had no reason to expect such goodness other than faith in Hashem through his Torah and the Prophets.
In fact, if you are sitting in galut, you seriously need to sit down and study the Prophets from the Tanach. You don't need a teacher, just read it with an open heart. One of the great failings of Judaism in the modern age is the abysmal failure to teach the Prophets, they are our roadmap and signposts for understanding our times and where we all fit it.
Wrong. You are essentially saying that ALL of our Gedolim (I can give you a list, if you need it, of those that never lived in EY although they easily could have) of yesteryear and today don't know the laws as well as you do!
ReplyDeleteNow, THAT's against the Torah!
This was already argued out by previous generations. Do your research without being one track minded, and you will see. MOST agreed that it does NOT pertain to our times. Thus, Hashem will 'gather us in', as we say in our prayers all the time.
Bentzy
Thank you for stating this. Even todays gedolim hold the same thing. Stop trying to tell people that they have to move to EY, That is moshiachs job, not yours. Unless you proclaim to be moshiach take a backseat and stop messing up peoples lives.
DeleteYeah, what about that Moshe and Aharon messing up those lives in Egypt, telling the Jews they had to leave the most advanced civilization of the time and instead tramp through the desert to a land already settled by very powerful nations.
DeleteAnd what about that Ze'ev Jabotinsky running all over Europe like a madman yelling to the Jews, "A fire is burning in Europe. The ground under your feet is on fire." How upsetting to hear such harsh and unjustified words. Of course, it unsettled a lot of people's lives when the Nazis swept through behind him.
Not exactly what they had envisioned for themselves or their children...
"Messing up people's lives." You have no idea.
Unfortunately, stating that Rabbis live outside of Israel is not even close to being a torah based argument. The talmud states that whoever leaves Israel is like one who does not have a god. There are only three reasons that permit leaving Israel, and all of them are for limited and set periods of time. One of them is to learn torah and most people say kal v'chomer to teach, though in other places in the talmud, learning is the chamor and teaching is the kal. There is no source that says first messiah and then aliyah and many more that say the opposite. Please bring valid sources.
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I would love to live in Israel, but how would I get a job there? I don't know the language. How would my kids make it in school there, given that they don't speak the language? I lived there two years in yeshiva and found it to be very difficult. It's a completely different culture. I'll wait for Moshiach to arrive in Israel and then go there.
ReplyDeletePeople in your exact situation live just fine in American communities like Ramat Bet Shemesh and Efrat. There are plenty of schools that are mainly American and your kids, if they're younger, will pick up Hebrew within a year. If you have the desire, Hashem will provide. I've seen it in my personal life many, many times. Why don't you contact the English-speaking person, Miriam, at Nefesh B'Nefesh? She can give you good info on the American communities.
DeleteThen why are so many people from Eretz Yisroel knocking on my door for money? They don't have the desire?
DeleteStop it with your silly advice.
Because a dozen or two dozen meshulachim come to America to collect for their parnassah show up at your door every year, why do you assume that 5 1/2 of the other 6 million Jews in Israel are in equally dire straits?? Your statement is foolish. You judge how poor Jews are in Israel by the few dozen meshulachim who show up at your door to collect? Aren't you being the silly one??
DeleteAn aside, many Jews in Israel learn Torah all day long. That is their vocation. The philanthropist Natan Strauss understood this basic concept, and provided for those who learn all day to be paid through tzedakah with dignity. I am sure that most of the poor Jews who show up at your door during the course of the year fall into that category. Now neither you nor I necessarily fall into that category. So obviously we have a better chance of accessing the marketplace of employment/ self-employment for our parnassah. Those who learn all day simply access the art of going door to door...which by the way THEY ALSO DO IN ERETZ YISRAEL! You should feel privileged that they have chosen to knock on your door. Supporting those who learn all day is a great mitzvah. But to judge your parnassah chances in E. Yisrael by those who collect so that they can learn all day when they are not collecting is truly silly. I agree that the Culture is different. So don't make Aliyah for the Culture. That is fair enough. You should know that almost 95% of all restaurants in Yerushalayim are kosher, from fast food outlets to the classiest cuisine. Some are Rabbanut, but I believe most are Mehadrin from Rabbanut to Beda"tz. So in the cultural milieu here it is good and bad. Stay away from Tel Aviv if you can if the Culture there makes you sick. I have a habit of avoiding Tel Aviv like the plague. So you can do that too.
Racheli,
DeletePlease accept my apology for being rude on the last comment by saying, "Stop it with your silly advice."
Betzalel
Most of the shluchim that are from Israel who come to my door are who are poor people who do not learn Torah full time. They are just like me, except I am fortunate to have a modest income. One 30-something year old man was dying of cancer and needed tens of thousands of dollars for an operation. He was going door to door here in America to raise money for himself. You wouldn't believe the stories of desperation that I hear, families struggling. These are real people suffering. Most aren't Rosh Yeshivas collecting for their yeshiva or Torah scholars.
DeleteHundreds if not thousands of shluchim come to my town every year. If I make aliyah, what makes you think I won't become one of them.
First of all, Betzalel, it is possible but indeed difficult. I'll help you if you like. Kosher food is more expensive and shabbat is difficult (Secular people think it is impossible). I am sure you could manage.
DeleteThere were thousands of prophets in Israel whose prophecy only applied to the day they lived in. That is why they are not included in the book of Navi.However, the prophecy in the book of the Prophets is for ALL generations
ReplyDeleteJews are way too comfortable is galus. They are used to reading the Torah but they don't believe it applies to their life. To them G-d is the G-d of ancient history and of the far distant future. But not the G-d of the here and now. This is a huge mistake. The Torah is not a fairy tale that binds a certain people and culture together for holidays etc. Torah is Emes. Don't let your comfort become quicksand.
Emunah
With all due respect, this post seems out of line. I'll preface by saying that most your posts come from a true Torah perspective, and do a good job of meshing true sources and opinion to stay within that perspective. This however, seems to be coming from a personal opinion. First of all, with Egypt, there was a clear directive from Moshe that they were leaving, those that didn't want to died out during choshech.... Today on the other hand, there is no clear Torah directive to get up and leave. Historically, there was always Torah leadership directing the masses in what to do or where to go. Those that didn't listen refused to hear. There is a clear difference of opinion from the sages to the Rishonim, and finally to the Rabbanim of today on this topic.
ReplyDeleteThe other thing is, it seems that there will be some sort of in gathering from the exiles through the hand of hashem in its time. When and how we don't know. Just because we're not jumping on a plane today, doesn't mean we don't want to.
With respect,
The Truth
4/5ths of this post is a direct quote from the Nevi'im and you say it "seems to be coming from a personal opinion"?
DeleteYou can't compare the time before the Giving of the Torah to the time following the Giving of the Torah. Yishuv Ha'Aretz is a mitzvah. It's your free will choice to believe it that or not. Of course there is a difference of opinion. That's what makes it a test.
It's very well known that "Torah leadership" kept many Jews too long in Europe, too. They are not infallible. How much more so in the generation when "most of the rabbis are from the Erev Rav"?
At the end of the day it's YOU who will stand and give an account to Hashem. Your rabbi will not stand in your place.
With equal respect,
The Truth Teller
Another thing is that I get lots of shluchim come to my door from Israel. These are people who are native Israelis. If they have trouble making it in Israel, how do you think a foreigner like myself will do there? Is the author of this article going to support me?
ReplyDeleteThe author of the article is making a huge mistake, giving advice without taking responsibility for the consequences of the advice.
I didn't "give advice". I stated the truth without any sugar-coating. This generation is drowning in sugar and it gets us nowhere.
DeleteI'd like to know how these "shluchim" had the money to make such a trip in the first place. The really poor people in Eretz Yisrael are stuck with shnorring right here at home. They can't afford a ticket to chu"l.
I think you've been marked as easy prey and these people are probably charlatans, especially since you say there are so many of them. They may not even be from Israel at all. Maybe they are even yordim who went to America to get rich and failed. Who knows?
But you using them as an excuse and holding them up as an example of Hashem's failed promise to provide for His children opens a case against them AND YOU in Shamayim. Good luck with that.
There's no question whatever that you will have a terribly difficult time in Israel - adjusting, making a living. You can count on it. It is for everyone. It's not meant to be easy. Nothing worthwhile in this world is.
I, for one, do not say run to Israel for ease and comfort. I say, be a Jew! Step up and fulfill your obligation... to your God and to your people.
Maybe you should have sugar coated it. Of course, it is the truth. The mraglim were a rabbinic opinion.
DeleteI'm done here.
DeleteI would say the following to righteous Jews at this late stage before Mashiach actually shows up in the year that he will show up 5776: We know that there are 49 Sha'arei Teshuvah and 49 steps to spiritual growth. Yet, in the Midbar, there were only 42 campsites including the place of origin Ramses. The 43rd campsite is in Eretz Yisrael. Chazal tell us that is the meaning of Luz whose gematriah is 43. It is the bone of the resurrection of the dead which at least for Jews will take place in Eretz Yisrael no matter where in the world a Jew is buried. In terms of personal growth we see an obvious parallel. One can pass through the first 42 Gates of Teshuvah outside or inside of Eretz Yisrael, but if one wants to rise above the 42nd level of purity without getting stuck there, one must make Aliyah to achieve through growth the last seven spiritual levels. It is no accident that the day of Yerushalayim's reunification, Yom Yerushalayim, is the 43rd day of Sefirat HaOmer. Look at Yerushalayim's unification as a starting point for one's Aliyah. Understand that the Ba'al Teshuvah movement was jump started for the most part because of Yerushalayim's unification during the 6 Day War so that in order to complete one's teshuvah process above level 42, one MUST make Aliyah. It is a rite of passage and necessary to complete one's long process of teshuvah and spiritual growth toward soul perfection as difficult as it may be to make the move to be here.
ReplyDeleteDear Brothers, Sisters and Friends:
ReplyDeleteYou have it ALL wrong! Many, many, many yidden are not refraining from moving because of non belief, lack of money, comfort, culture...... etc. etc.. Although it is a Mitzvah just like many others, thousands upon thousands of us throughout many generations were simply not even 'advised' to move as a part of our 'tafkid' or 'obligation' in any sense whatsoever. You are erring by thinking that we don't move because we are not relying on Hashem enough. It is not even on the agenda of many. I have a relative in EY doing way better financially than many of us. Hashem can and does support us wherever we live. Many, if not most, gedolim did not make an issue out of living in exile, where they lived as well.
We are all awaiting that glorious day just as much as you in EY are. The difference is that you believe that this can be done by force, while the majority of the chareidi, frum world knows that Hashem will do this on his own. Our love for Him, and belief in Him, and yearning for The Land is so very strong, and we firmly believe that in due time He will deliver us diaspora jews, as well as Israeli jews, to a new reality.
FACE IT. We are all in exile, including our Israeli brethren, until the day Moshiach brings us to our true home, Eretz Yisroel, the way it is meant to be. A holy state, a holy nation!
Bentzy
We have no job, no savings. We are totally dependent on Hashem. We don't know what the future holds. What motivates us is to get as far away from America as we can is we can see the writing on the wall. We are old enough to see major changes - not for the good here. There are four refugee centers in less than a five mile radius. One within walking distance of our shul. The hijabs, no exaggeration, are multiplying exponentially. We don't want to be here when the you-know what hits the fan. Where else can we go but to Israel. We are very eager to leave.
ReplyDeleteEmunah
Do you honesty believe that Jews refuse to make aliyah because they are stubborn?
ReplyDeleteI beg to differ. There are countless Jews that have no clue about Judaism, others that have no clue that the world is falling apart and then there's the group that worship every word and action coming from the current progressive administration.
They haven't stirred yet. What's it going to take?
Hilltop Dweller
Without teshuvah, they will be lost. Hashem yerachem! That's why everyone is doing everything they possibly can to wake them up.
DeleteI always read your articles and like them very much but this was very dissapointing
ReplyDeleteEven including the Nevi'im I quoted at length? Did you have a problem with Hashem's complaints against Am Yisrael that continued exile is an ongoing desecration of His Name? And since Chazal say that we could end the exile at anytime by doing teshuvah, the length of this exile is our fault. Do you have a problem with them, too? Or is it just my bluntness? If it made you sit up and take notice or even think for a moment outside your comfort box, it was worth it.
DeleteTshuva, all right! Making Aliyah is a 'different entity entirely'. And, I'm assuming that your taking it for granted that these messages are a direct message to go up to the land and thus golus would end, is what is bothering the writer above.
DeleteAll of us in ch''l are also trying to do tshuva. Making aliyah and staying who you are, is a far cry from repentance. They simply have nothing to do with one another!
Bentzy
Most commentators are mission the point here: The Jews will have a better chance of survival in Yisrael than anywhere in the world. Truly Mashiach will call for all Jews to come to Yisrael, but by that time they will be a tiny remnant, most of them dying in Diaspora.
ReplyDeleteSays who???
DeleteBentzy
Moving to Israel at this time in the 111th generation after Matan Torah, is really a tikkun for the Sin of the Spies. At that Sin, ten of of the Gedolim who went to spy out the Land came back with a depressing report that the Land cannot be taken because we are like grasshoppers compared to the Giants who inhabit the Land. Two of the Spies, Yehoshua and Kaleiv came back with a report that the L-rd Our G-d will help us conquer this wondrous Land. In this story all twelve spies were Gedolim, but the righteous amongst the Spies were outnumbered Five to One. This is why one cannot expect Rabbanim in Chutz LaAretz to advise for Aliyah. We are all gilgulim of that desert generation. So by a Five to One margin we would be advised by our Rabbanim, if we asked the shailah, to NOT make Aliyah. The decision to make Aliyah for this reason is a personal one. One can ask the advice of Gedolim in ERetz Yisrael who are more likely to advise us to make Aliyah, including Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlit"a, but to expect one's Rav in Chu"l to advise in that direction is a fool's errand since all of us including our Rabbanim in Chu"l are being tested in this last pre-Messianic generation. If your extenuating circumstances allow, I would advise anyone to pass this end of days test of desiring Eretz Yisrael for eternal reward. Do a great tikkun for this Sin that was committed over 33 Centuries ago. It is about time, isn't it??
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ReplyDeleteMany thanks for adding guilt to pain.
ReplyDeleteAs a recently divorced father of very young children, are you telling me to get up and leave them in chutz laAretz cholileh???!!!!
Really thanl you!!
Awaiting your response but more so, awaiting the ultimated collective amd personal final Redemption of our people and of the whole world etc. Omein.
"Sound the great shofar for our freedom, raise the banner to gather our exiles and gather us together from the four corners of the earth."
DeleteDo you pray this three times a day? When you do, where do you imagine the Jews will be gathering? Manhattan?
The banner was raised over Manhattan fourteen years ago. The shofar sounded on 9/11. And that's why the building that replaced it is called the "Freedom" Tower. This event announced "our freedom".
What have you been doing for all that time BEFORE you were recently divorced? You probably weren't even married yet.You'd better be ready with a btter answer for Hashem when you have to explain yourself to Him. That's all I'm saying.
Instead of shooting the messenger, take the message to heart. Humble yourself before your Maker and do teshuvah for this serious lapse in your observance of His mitzvot.
I am so disgusted by your response.
DeleteI gave you a chance to do teshuva for what you had written.
I already made Aliyah and moved to Chul for the purpose of Sholom Bayis and being able to give my children a stable future.
You evidently have no idea (thank G-d, bli ayin hora) of what divorce is and does to an individual and family and the kehilla and klal at large and btw to harm a divorcee or kids of divorce is the same aveirah as harming an orphan or widow.
Besides the fact that I yearn daily to be back home and daven for it, evidently your lack of love of fellow Jew and fire and brimstone attitude has much to be desired.
Are you not aware that every action one does is only with permission and at the Will of G-d, perhaps its now your turn to apologise to your messanger and do teshuva or does it only go one way?
I came on your website for sone chizuk and what I find is people writing that those in Chul are the eruv Rav. Thanks for the chizzuk and message fron G-d, that we only have to rely on Him, and those that spout such venom and arrogance, even living in EY, are really no better and their lack of ahavas Yisroel is v telling.
Amazing to think you can say what you like and then claim its the Word of G-d.
Mr. Fish, I write with great love and compassion for you and all the Jews like you. Going by your reaction, a very deep nerve has been struck. That means there is something amiss deep inside your soul on this very issue. Throw yourself on Hashem's mercy and submit your will to His 100% and He will help you resolve it.
DeleteI do know your pain. You have no idea.
But, the only chizuk at this time in history for those who remain in the lands of dispersion is to know that if you repent this sin of rejecting Eretz Yisrael for all the many years since the final whistle blew to end the game, Hashem will forgive and perhaps still enable you to survive the judgment that is coming for the nations (NOT for Jews, although they will be caught up in it)... I'm sorry.
But, before there can be repentance, there has to be acknowlegement of guilt and all I see is people justifying themselves, not repenting an error.
Fish, nobody here would harm you chas v'shalom. i faced similar problems when i made Aliyah, having been divorced and a mother of small children. When something is EXTREMELY VALUABLE the OWNER puts up barriers. the one who persists with EMUNAH eventually gets the prize. in the end, Baruch HaShem, despite the huge mess at the beginning, we are almost all here and at peace
DeleteA far more humane and Neshomodigger (Soulful/Pintele) response from you this time.
DeleteLooking forward and with trepidation too, to all of us brothers and sisters joining together in Jerusalem and the Bais Hamikdosh v soon and sooner.
For now, Shabbat Shalom to Am Yisroel everywhere.
Time to tackle another day in the Galut :-|
In reply to No, Am not sure what you mean.
DeleteAs a divorced mother you can't possibly understand a father's position in this circumstance. A mother does what she likes in divorce and gets away with it, including deciding to make Aliya instead of keeping her family together in chutz La'Aretz (I'm not talking about your situation which I of course don't know about, nor want to know about, if not to offer compassion and empathy-I'm just giving an example here). It's all very well throwing out the Emunah card when you're not in the situ. Of course everything revolves fundamentally around Emunoh but over here, you've only just instilled my BITOCHON in Hashem, our loving Father, that my kids, whom G-d has given me the responsibilty to look after, need me, their 'little' father to be there for them in Chutz Lo'Oretz right now, seeing as I don't have the luxury of deciding where my kids go.
In reply to Fish, you said a mother does what she likes in divorce...including ...to make Aliya...but this is not true. Even though this mother had full custody, though she could have made Aliya alone her children were NOT allowed to go to Israel without the father's permission in writing. Remember, she had full custody too! Thus, the only way for the children to come was in a process of peaceful negotiation.--savta
DeleteDevorah, everything you are saying can't be argued with. It is just that some people are "there" and others are still getting "there". Stepping up to the plate is hard and there are many unknowns. I think this is the ultimate test, or one of them. And, many people have NOT been taught to listen to their inner voice and think with their own brain which Hshem gave them. They don't understand that our primary Rebbi is Hshem first and foremost imho. If I listened to advice in chu'l from leading... xyz, I would probably still be in chu'l drowning in materialism and empty talk, with very questionable tzniut and telling myself stories... all with my husband learning and davening in the "best" yeshiva in the country...blah blah blah.. Now we are here. It is hard, I speak Ivrit like a toddler... and I am an educated person who is very verbal in several languages. Ok,,,, great, here goes some of that gaiva! It is challenging to always have to grow...I would rather take a kosher cruise to Alaska with $500 dog sled rides ha ha... but life is about GROWING, NOT kosher cruises and fancy desserts (!) and we ARE growing here! We have changed tremendously and are SO Much more in tune to emes, so much closer to HKBH... not just in empty sayings and words but with real honest feelings and actions. I talk to Hshem all the time and did not do it so much in chu'l, Maybe some people are such tzadikkim that they can be all in ruchniut in chu'l but not me. I need to be here!!! I need the kedusha and tahara of E'Y to grow, to change, to do real teshuva, to be close to my G-d and to do everything I can -- my histadlus- to bezras Hshem be zoiche to greet Mashiach. I am pretty sure that he is not coming first to Flatbush.
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At the End of Days, when Mashiach is revealed, his call towards Jews from all over the world, to gather to Yisrael, applies mainly to the hidden Jews, i.e. the lost tribes. Few Jews from the current Diaspora will be alive at that time. Doing the job of wiping out the Erev Rav in the world Yishmael will then be annihilated.
ReplyDeleteBless be those who come to Yisrael before the Mashiach. They will.acquire merits.
And you gloat in your smug righteousness? Nice!
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Most of the "Jews" in general are Erev Rav, Angie, even in EY. That's what our sources say. And although I might disagree with his conclusions about their end, keep in mind that Avi is referring to the downfall of our worst enemy - even worse than Yishmael and Eisav.
ReplyDeleteAbout 3/4 to 4/5ths of the identifiable Jews in Chu"l are from the Erev Rav. Inside Eretz Yisrael it might be up to 40% but as little as 33% who are Erev Rav. I base this on continuous voting records despite constantly being shown how dangerous it is, by Jews who vote for suicidal leftist parties. I don't include Likud voters because I don't think that Likud voters would rather die than not be popular in the world, irregardless of how Bibi behaves. But this most definitely applies to Labor/Zionist Union voters, Meretz voters, and about half of the Yeish Atid voters. 24 seats for Zionist Union + 5 seats for Meretz plus about half (6) of Yeish Atid. I am excluding Kachlon here because I am not sure that his voters knew so much about his foreign/ security policy since he campaigned almost solely on economic issues. So at least 35 seats out of 107 Jewish seats are from the Erev Rav....but it could be more.
ReplyDeleteNow that Lapid has also played his foreign policy card, if there is even another election, one would have to calculate that ALL of his voters in the next round are from the Erev Rav. G-d forbid it gets that far.
ReplyDeleteThis does not include voters for the Erev Ze'ir as best expressed by Mishpacha Magazine's recent escapade writing an open letter to Hamas, Fatach, et al telling them NOT to attack Chareidim who don't in principle ascend the Temple Mt. I think that the Erev Ze'ir prefers that this galut should continue to last another 1000 years, for the desire to end the galut does not exist in their midst. Percentages there are hard to figure since many good Jews vote for Chareidi parties because they are following certain Gedolim even if the MK leaders and Askanim of these parties could care less how the money comes in, even if it involves uprooting another 10,000 settlers, G-d forbid. This did not apply to Eli Yishai when he was in charge of Shas. With Eli Yishai in charge of a party, there is no Erev Ze'ir in that party. He is a true tzaddik in my humble opinion. But if we add the Erev Ze'ir voters to the Erev Rav voters, we are talking about half the population here in Eretz Yisrael which tells me that there is no redemption through the electoral process here. It has to come from outside our existing ma'arechet here with a stress on the collapse outside of the Land of Israel as HaShem destroys this entire World of Lies.
Agree 100%, Dov.
ReplyDeleteAvi, savta didn't say that--it was ANONYMOUS--i'm savta
ReplyDeleteI'm the one that your responding to. I understand the concept of Erev Rav, and yes, I see Jews, both here and in EY who cause trouble for other Jews.
ReplyDeleteBut I look around and most people I know are not like that. Most people I know are just struggling, doing the best they can despite their difficulties. There are others that really just don't know better. And I know many Jews who would like to make aliyah but can't because of an unwilling spouse or an ill family member or maybe even their own limitations (fears for their children or dealing with an anxiety disorder or their misunderstanding that they need a certain amount of money saved up, etc) but certainly not because they crave their gashmius and won't give that up. (And yes, there are those too- but those aren't the people that I really know)
All I'm saying is, I don't think you can make a judgement call on such a large group of people. How could you possibly know people's backgrounds and motivations?
Have you never sinned or hurt someone because you didn't know better at the time or you made an error in judgement? Would that be a reason to call you an Erev Rav? Would that be a reason to say you'll (G-d forbid ) have a bitter end?
It ain't over till it's over. Most of us are "in progress" and need to be pulled closer and tought. Being labeled as Erev Rav and told we're gonna "get it" isn't helpful or effective.
And I'm someone who believes it's time to go home and am planning my aliyah, so I'm not saying this defensively.
-SF
SF: After years of studying this matter about the Erev Rav, I have found that there is an indelible commonality between those of the Erev Rav on one particular issue. Keep in mind that the Erev Rav unites the world of Yishmael and Edom as they combine to try to control our lives in Eretz Yisrael for the purpose of spiritually destroying us. The Erev Rav are wiling accomplices and outright enablers of the combined program of Edom and Yishmael in the world against Jews who are not from the Erev Rav. The uniting feature of all members of the Erev Rav which distinguishes them from those who are not Erev Rav is an unquenchable desire to be popular and loved by the non-Jewish world specifically in Western countries. Popularity or its twin World Public Opinion is truly their modern Avodah Zarah whose worship they have fine tuned for their own personal benefit whether it be fame or wealth. Their quest for Popularity and positive World Public Opinion as they call it will almost always come at the expense of their fellow Jews here in Eretz Yisrael as we struggle to build the rudiments of the Messianic Kingdom of G-d through mitzvot and other forms of hishtadlut such as building up the Land. Many amongst the Erev Rav desire popularity so much that they would rather die or see other Jews die than NOT be loved by the purveyors of Western Culture even as it decays into the abyss. For the most part they lean on the side of Edom over Yishmael because until now for the last 300 years, that is where the money and power are in Olam HaZeh. Watching Tel Aviv leftists vote for decades now to the point that they would rather die from rocket fire from Gaza rather than not be loved in European capitals is a sight to behold.....once or twice before someone like me wants a divorce from these kapos and lowlifes.
ReplyDeleteDov Bar-Leib has done a pertinent portrayal of Erev Rav.
ReplyDeleteNow, how do you know you aren't one of them?
Do you follow the Jewish laws with good deeds?
Do you understand the purpose of Judaism as taking humanity to a new evolutionary level?
Do you have good intentions, refrain from bad behavior?
Do you have a natural aversion towards evil?
If you answer Yes to the questions above, then your soul is truly Jewish.
I haven't read all these comments, if someone else left this already I apologise: in Rabbi Mizrachi's latest shiur he talks about this topic [very near the beginning] http://www.divineinformation.com/parashat-vayetze-insulting-a-talmid-chacham-connection-to-hashem-mother-rachel-2/
ReplyDeleteDo I want to hear it? ;-) He pretty much lost me on this subject, not because I disagree, but because he said "the rule is you live where you feel closest to Hashem...where you are most comfortable". There's no source for this and there's no denying that Har HaMoriah is the closest you can come to Hashem in this world. But, what was worse. He gave for an example a nice frum Jewish woman who would be so unhappy in a scaled-down kitchen in EY that she would be unable to daven as well as when she had a palatial kitchen in chu"l. Seriously. That's what he said in this shiur 20 mins in. So...
DeleteOk, I heard. The thing is there is absolutely no source for what he is saying, but there are plenty of sources which say yishuv haaretz is a mitzvah and that Hashem is the One Who gives success. He seems to leave Hashem completely out of the equation. With Hashem's help in the performance of a mitzvah why should you ever expect NOT to succeed. At a time when more than HALF the world's Jews are living in Eretz Yisrael and even illegal infiltrators live here, get jobs, build homes, have babies, why should a Holy Jew expect Hashem will NOT help him to have a successful aliyah?
DeleteIn the Diaspora, what seems assured today can be taken away tomorrow. The only "sure thing" there is in the world is our claim to Eretz Yisrael and our guaranteed return there - one way or another.
And remember, Rabbi Mizrachi is no posek. The Gadol HaDor, the one who even HaRav Shteinman, shlita, consults with - HaRav Chaim Kanievsky, shlita - says: Aliyah Is A Mitzvah.
No one has anything to say about the nevuot that were quoted? Like what do you think it means when it says "...from the land of their sojournings I shall take them, but to the land of Israel they shall not come,...."
ReplyDeleteIt is clear that at the end the Erev Rav won't come to the land of Israel.
ReplyDeleteAlso, it should be made clear that the Erev Rav are usually in positions of power and wealth. Those are ones who control and lead in Israel and the ones who do great mischief around the world and who are too connected with outside govts and powers, both overtly and covuertly. They are the ones who came up with all the 'isms' that have corrupted the whole world. We have to remember that the two sons of Bilaam (the magicians in Pharoah's palace) came along with their fellow erev rav and brought along magical powers with them also. They are connected to Esav & Yishmael. Those that usually just follow because they know no better are just the misguided Jews, who, hopefully, will in the end before Moshiach comes, do teshuvah. In the end, every real Jew has a portion in the World to Come - may it be very soon, b'rachamim!
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