12 January 2021


 28 Tevet 5781

I'd really like to move on from these vaccine posts, but this is what we are living through at the moment and the information coming out may be critical to our decision-making.

James T. Mulder wrote Saturday at syracuse.com that until December 29 there had been no coronavirus deaths at The Commons.

December 29, when deaths of residents with coronavirus began occurring at The Commons, is also, Mulder’s article discloses, seven days after the nursing home began giving coronavirus vaccinations to residents, with 80 percent of residents so far having been vaccinated.

Over a period of less than two weeks since December 29, Mulder relates that 24 coronavirus-infected residents at the 300-bed nursing home have died.

The nursing home began vaccinating residents Dec. 22.

So far 193 residents, or 80%, and 113 employees, or less than half the staff, have been vaccinated.

The nursing home plans to do more vaccinations Jan. 12.

Is the timing just a strange coincidence?
The first assumption is that people are getting COVID-19 from taking the vaccine, but notice that the article claims there were "no deaths" from coronavirus at this institution. We don't know if there were also no infections. That seems highly unlikely.  In any case, it brings forward the following question: is it safe to take the vaccine if you've already had COVID-19?

As you read, keep in mind that those who have already been sick with COVID-19 and have recovered already have an immune system primed to attack it if the invader comes back.  Also bear in mind that the vaccine prompts the cells of your body to produce a coronavirus spike protein that will essentially identify it as the virus itself as far as your immune system is concerned, so....  You can draw your own conclusions about the war that could set off inside your body if you take the vaccine after having recovered from the disease.  

And PS: The claim that it will simply boost your natural immunity is spurious since this new mRNA vaccine does not operate the same way previous vaccines did wherein, the virus itself had to invade in order to activate the immune system.  With this new technology, your own body's cells will be made to look like the invader.

Right now, the CDC does not have an official recommendation on whether or not people who’ve recovered from COVID-19 should get one of the new COVID-19 vaccines.

To decide, they’ll need to consider a number of issues, including how much natural immunity people have after they recover from a COVID-19 infection. And this is a question that still does not have a straightforward answer

But even though there is no official recommendation yet, it’s possible that some people who recovered from COVID-19 may want to consider getting a vaccine. Here’s why.

When you catch COVID, your body makes antibodies that find and destroy the coronavirus in your system. That means you will have COVID-19 antibodies after infection. At least in the short term, these antibodies will protect you from catching it again. They will also keep you from spreading the virus to others.

But those antibody levels decrease over time. For some people, they might drop so low they’ll stop being helpful. This seems to be particularly true in people who had very mild cases of COVID, or had no symptoms at all. There has been a great deal of discussion about research that shows immunity fading quickly in some people who have recovered from COVID-19. [None of this has been proven.  Note all the qualifying language which I have underlined.]

If your immunity fades, you could be at risk for catching COVID-19 a second time. And there’ve been a number of reports of people getting COVID again. In some cases, the second infection was worse than the first one.

What are the benefits and risks of getting the vaccine after recovering from COVID-19?

For most people, the benefits of getting a COVID-19 vaccine will outweigh the risks. If you’ve already had COVID-19 and recovered, you’ll have a few additional things to think about when it’s your turn to get the vaccine

A COVID-19 vaccine could offer you some benefits:

It will deliver a predictable immune-boost, so the strength and duration of your immunity won’t be left to chance. Since COVID-19 testing was difficult to get — and the results were sometimes questionable — during the early months of the pandemic, it might not be clear whether or not you actually had COVID. Getting vaccinated can eliminate the guesswork. 

It’s possible some people in high-risk situations might be asked to show paperwork or other evidence of immunity. If this is you, getting a vaccine might be the most straightforward way to get the documentation you need.

There are potential downsides, too. Here are the risks:

The COVID-19 vaccines haven’t been well-studied yet in people who have recovered from COVID. While the vaccine developers are reporting mild to moderate side effects in their study groups, many of those groups did not include people who had already fought off COVID. (This makes sense, because it was important to measure the immunity each vaccine could create on its own.) It’s possible the side effects of a vaccine could be stronger in someone who already has an immune response.

If vaccines are in short supply, it’s possible that people with immunity could be a lower priority for vaccination. How this might be determined, and how it could affect you, will come down to policy decisions made by our government and health leaders. 

Which is more effective: natural immunity or the vaccine?
In the long run, getting a well-crafted vaccine will be a safer option than catching COVID. But from an immunity standpoint, could there be a hidden benefit to having gotten infected naturally? 

This question can’t be answered yet. Right now, very few people have long-term immunity of any kind, so it’s hard to compare the two. However, there are some interesting things to consider as we learn more.

The COVID-19 vaccines may produce more targeted antibodies
With natural immunity, your body makes antibodies against a variety of features of the virus. COVID-19 vaccines are designed to trigger antibodies that hone in on a certain molecular target — in most cases, the coronavirus spike protein. 

The spike protein is part of what makes this virus so deadly, and antibodies that recognize it seem to be particularly effective at neutralizing it. It’s possible this targeted approach will lead to a stronger immune response in people who have had the vaccine.

Antibodies aren’t the whole picture when it comes to your immune response
Our bodies also make specialized immune system cells — T cells and B cells — that work with antibodies to fight infections. These cells have longer memories than antibodies, and their job is to stand ready over time.

While natural COVID-19 infections result in memory cells sometimes, we don’t know yet how sick you have to be before this mechanism kicks in. It’s possible that having a mild case of COVID just doesn’t get you this level of protection. Looking for these specialized cells is tricky and isn’t something that’s usually done outside of a research study.

Triggering this cellular immunity — in addition to antibody, or humoral, immunity — is a goal for vaccine makers. A vaccine that does both is going to be a good bet for long-term protection.

The bottom line
Right now it’s not clear if people who have recovered from COVID-19 should get in line for a vaccine. As we learn more about the roles of both vaccines and natural infection in creating long-term immunity to COVID-19, we’ll all be in a better position to make an informed decision.





  1. That vaccine won't allow women to build a placenta. It means they won't be able to become pregnant. And there are 22 side effects heart problems, sterility and death included. Not by chance they chose the Jews to start their depopulation program. According to the blindness of the brainwashed Israeli public it looks 70 percent will get the vaccine. Means a lot of future dead that, of course won't be officially because of the vaccine but heart attacks etc...Children in the street will become rare in Israel in the future if the Israelis keep being so "intelligent".

  2. My wife says I’m getting a little paranoid with this vaccine issue, but the question you address and others, are running in my mind: For example:
    Does people that get the vaccine (they produce antigens via RNA as I understand it) are contagious?
    It is also bothering me that biochemistry helped me made Teshuva, connecting the dots, long ago... When I first was confronted with the Bible codes (the real scientific ones) I had like an Eureka moment:
    DNA it’s a four letter code, and Torah its a 20 something letter code, for all creation!!
    ! Of course Torah is much more than that, but this is how my mind works.
    For me both Torah and DNA (and RNA) are both sacred. As Watson and Crick said when they discovered the DNA model, and won th novel price: “DNA is the second link in the origen of life”.
    For years I was searching for the first one until I find HaShem. I always thought that the four letter code (adenin-ti in-guanin-citósin) had something to do wit the four letter name, י-ה-ו-ה. Until many years latter I found it in a video called Hashems Signature: A special bond is created between the nitrogenated bases every 10-5-6-5 spaces of the DNA molecule. This is in all living creature, as you know, Exactly the numeric value of Hashems name.
    This is why it shocks me that humans are playing with the genetic code and trying to be G-d. Because they are falsifying Hashems signature. They are playing with something kodesh.
    I’ll try to post the link for this short video if someone interested.
    I’m a pediatrician vacunologist by the way, With a lot of emunat chachamim, so this issue is causing me a lot of anxiety, that I try to canalize through fear of Heaven, and only Him. Since March last year I don’t see human solution to this, and nothing has change. Our situation has not human solution.

  3. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sPF6az2BlxE Hashems Signature inDNA

  4. It's all been planned, therefore the endgame wasn't been disclosed to the public. Watch this, this is from 2007 movie. https://youtu.be/5Q_BtHJiR-A

  5. Chana is that crazy or what?!

    Readers note this unconfirmed report...

    Dr. Elrai-Price noted that 17% of the severely ill patients who are currently hospitalized are patients who received a first dose of the vaccine before their hospitalization.

    The data show that to date, 4,500 people have been diagnosed with the coronavirus after having received the first vaccine dose, of whom 375 have been hospitalized due to the disease.

    Of those hospitalized, 244 were hospitalized in the first week after their vaccination. 124 in the second week and seven more than 15 days from when they received the vaccine.

    "The number of verified cases has reached a new high, we have passed the point of 9,000 positive tests. There has never been such a figure," said Dr. Elrai-Price.

  6. Chana
    That link is a nightmare.
    You know the name of the movie?

  7. Just asking, why with all this information out there, are the people zombie like rushing to get jabbed. There is something so unnatural with this whole thing. The people should protest why there has not been testing or trials of this vaccine which is like no other and yet people are willing to put their lives on the line; something doesn't make any sense. The pm is committing a chet without even challenging the results of this and will have this on his head. The trouble is the information is not being put out to the public and the only way is to have the info put on TV where the public is drawn to. We pray for the Holy One Blessed Be He to have mercy and end this insanity.

  8. Not everyone is clued into what is really happening.
    Really, sheep to the slaughter!
    I just posted about the “surge” in Covid infections. No doubt to me that it’s from the “jab”.
    That nursing home in NY state, Auburn, says in what I read that they were vaccinated 12/22 and the infections happened after that!
    A very dearest friend was Vaxed a couple weeks ago, and now has been tested positive, and has symptoms. She has many children, who get sick every season and she escaped getting sick UP UNTIL SHE GOT THE “SHOT”!
    I fear for her. Miriam Freida bas Devorah if anyone could add this name to their list, please.

    Since this is EXPERIMENTAL and the people are the guinea p... we are going to see many weird happenings, and should take note.

  9. This has been a very big test of emunah. Soon, the numbers will be so great, beyond anything we've seen until now, that they will be unable to continue to cover up the truth and hide it from the public - that the vaccine is responsible.

    We are well on the way to geulah so the truth of everything has to come out and when it does, the parties responsible will lose their power and collapse.

    1. Dvash I completely agree with you. Thank you for your blog I read it everyday.


    The Norwegian Medicines Agency has announced that two nursing home residents passed away days after receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and that an investigation has been launched into the deaths. “We have to assess whether the vaccine is the cause of death, or if it is a coincidence that it happened soon after vaccination,” Medical Director Steiner Madsen said in a statement about the deaths.

    Norway claims that due to the advanced age of the patients who received the vaccines, the deaths could be merely coincidental.

    Yeah, that's what they said here about the first two elderly people to die within hours of getting the vaccine.

  11. We Jews know that there is no such thing as COINCIDENCE!

  12. Samson, thank you for all your thoughtful comments. Your contribution here is very much appreciated.

  13. 2 Points: 75 year old Israeli woman found lifeless hours after second dose of Covid-19 vaccine
    Woman found lifeless at her home in Lod after receiving second dose was said to suffer from multiple complex underlying conditions.
    Rav Benyamin Vosner, grandson of Rav Shmuel Vosner zassvek”l, a 4 page detailed dissertation why by halakha (Jewish Law) it is forbidden to take the Coronavirus Covid-19 vaccine for the Coronavirus Covid-19 pandemic. He takes apart every reason anyone gave to say yes take. Genius.http://jerusalemcats.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/%D7%93%D7%A2%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A3-%D7%91%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%95%D7%95%D7%90%D7%96%D7%A0%D7%A8-%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%98%D7%90-%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%91%D7%93%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9E%D7%96%D7%A2%D7%96%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9E%D7%A2%D7%93%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%99-%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9F.pdf

  14. Yacov Butterfield
    Just to confirm: What is the maskana (conclusion) Of Rab Benyamin Vosner? Take it or don’t take it. I’m a little confused with your lenguage, not because of you, but because english it’s not my first lenguage.
    Also it will be very important translating this to English. I didn’t went to my Torah class today because my opinions about Covid make my friends uncomfortable... Like if I’m a Kofer.
    I have listen that other important Rabis say don’t take it. But it’s important to know the details to balance opinions and support pressure from society for those that don’t want to take the vax.

  15. See HERE starting at 01:21:05 for about twenty mins where R. Anava discusses the rabbis for and against. (See particularly at 01:20:54 where he gives some names of poskim who rule against it.)

  16. I soo that list. Some big Rabis I recognize by name.
    But it’s important to have a psak Halaja with explanations.We need clear info. Not just big names. . It’s such an important issue that can save many lives.. A translation because many, or most Jews can’t undertand if written in Hebrew.

  17. I just found this so I haven't had a chance to read all of it, but it looks very promising from the beginning. See what you think of THIS.

  18. Yes! Very clear. Lots of info. I will do my part to spread it. It’s very very important to spread this. If it possible in the Jewish newspapers, everywhere!! So people don’t rush and don’t use Am Israel as Gina pigs!

  19. R' Wosner's ruling has just been translated to English. I have it.

  20. To drbsd: To answer your question in a few words - when something that might mean life or, c'v, death, one does not experiment with it if it never was tested before not even for a day. The answer is common sense for any human being to understand, why run to something that no one knows the consequences that might arise. Now that so much information about the horrific side effects, including loss of life, why should there even be a question!