7 Shevat 5776
Where a Jew who clings to traditional Torah Judaism which keeps Jews separate will be labeled an extremist and an enemy to the the one-world religion where ALL are equal and ALL are one.
Haredi Orthodox school in London ordered to close
...The school, which has more than 200 students, encourages “cultural and ethnic insularity because it is so narrow and almost exclusively rooted in the study of the Torah,” inspectors said following an investigation of the school, according to The Independent.
Inspectors said the school was founded to prevent students from “developing a wider, deeper understanding of different faiths, communities, cultures and lifestyles, including those of England.”
Maybe this will motivate them to leave England. Whatever they think of the State's control of Eretz Yisra'el, they may see that the Torah teaching/learning opportunities here are still better than that.
ReplyDeleteBritish chief rabbi supports teaching Islam in Jewish schools
ReplyDeleteBritain’s chief rabbi has called on the country’s Jewish schools to amend their curricula to include Islamic studies in order to be able to comply with new educational guidelines being put in place by the government....
Hal, Although you make a good point, Israel is the not only the homeland of every Jew, but also, thus, the responsibility of every Jew. This includes the responsibility for working towards the appropriate governance of Israel, which as you allude to, it certainly does not currently have.
DeleteIf they are real Jews and not erev rav, they will run to Israel. If they are erev rav, awe to their death's. The evildoers are trying to take the spiritual shield of the Jews down and attack them when they are weak. They know.
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Well from a Jew in London, am I so funny?
ReplyDeleteAm I an individual who can think for himself?
We do not 'Side" with anyone out of blind faith.
We are acutely aware of our status as a tiny minority, all be it one that has done well in terms of education.
Many shuls do include a Shabbat prayer for the health of the Queen and for sound governance by her ministers, why would we wish for anything different?
The Royal Family though politically on the fringe in terms of the constitution, are seen as a force for stability and dialogue.
We generally are not isolationist, we take an interest in local and national politics, as the Ramban advises.
We have some interest in the culture of the country, without jettisoning our Jewish faith or identity.
We have contributed loads to the country in terms of commerce, science, the arts and sport.
The community has a strong support of Israel, financially, charitably and in practical terms a fair few of the community will serve in the IDF or attend Israeli Yeshivot, or donate money to Israeli charities or tech projects.
Aliyah is encouraged, but not all are able to do this, some do not wish to.
What is not encouraged is any particular hatred of the UK, even though we are aware of the historical role of the British military during the 1930's and 40's in pre-independence Yishuv.
Since when are we "Anti-Chareidi?".
We have amongst our numbers some left wing jews who may be, but so do Israel and the USA!
To London Male - while there's no love lost between myself and either mine (or your) respective ruling classes in the US/and/UK...
DeleteI'm in total agreement that many of those luckily residing cozily inside EY have no sensitivity to realize that some chutznikim don't have the means to relocate to EY without severe hardship. See my reply to EMET above.
People like them often are living luxuriously In Yerushalmi Ivory Towers compared to myself, who's living from day to day, in severe physical pain, and very difficult, drafty, high-maintenance homes which are like traps for us, which we wish we had some help to escape from, since its taking such a decades-long toll on our health. We scream to H' day after day, please help! Where are You?
M.M.
To EMET - Oh? To quote you - So will it be for all world Jewry?
ReplyDeleteA bit of sensitivity please! Are you speaking from your cushy abode somewhere in Israel? While I'm living in very NON cushy, drafty, isolated circumstances, suffering bordeline Sjogrens, corneal erosion, excruciating eye pain, and way more than you can fathom, with no easy means of settling myself lock stock & barrel in EY. Never had anyone in my life helping me settle there, much as I tried countless times. You better believe, I tried. At this point, I'm weary, disillusioned and yes, in bad pain. So before any more of you presume to lecture chutznikim from your Ivory Towers somewhere in Jerusalem of Gold, you may want to exercise your cerebral sensitivities a bit.
M.M.
Aliyah is irrelevant to this issue. We're talking about the realities of living in the Diaspora which maybe haven't been so obvious until now.
ReplyDeleteIn the Diaspora, a Jew lives according to the whims of the gentiles who rule there. A Jew would have no right, as the Muslims imagine that they do, to take over a nation and enforce Torah law there. A Jew is a stranger in those lands. It is not his country and he should not allow himself to imagine that he is - to feel patriotic towards it, etc.
Eretz Yisrael is our land and we have an obligation at all times to try to enforce Torah law here and to prevent gentiles from taking over in any way. We have a right and an obligation here to reject anti-Torah laws. In the Diaspora, Jews have only whatever rights the gentiles allow us.
Had to write something here. Love reading comments on the blogs. Seems most who commented to one of the commenters that spoke not too well about the English took everything out of context from his/her comment. Think the commenter (EMET's) main complaint was against the rabbi who invited Islamic learning in 'Jewish' schools, which is not normal (unless he's a reform rabbi) and that is the reason EMET most likely suggested for Jews to start coming home (this is my opinion). No one brought this up in their replies to him/her.
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On a personal level, thank you M.M.
ReplyDeleteI actually made Aliyah but unable to find work and with my savings running out sadly make Yeridah.
I am doing what I can to put myself in a position to make Aliyah again.
As for Rabbi Mirvis, he is a very strong supporter of Israel.
If the law says that the school must teach about Islam then I have no problem with that?
Why would I?
As Jews we should now a little about the basics of Islam, for the current Galut is not just Edom but is also Yishmael as foretold by the Arizal Ha Kodesh, and we do need to "Know our enemy".
Not that I encourage hostility to Islam, but with a chunk of the Muslims attacking us it behooves us to know a bit about their beliefs.
Also it can put into context our Torah learning about the role of Yishmael.
Honestly, if this school did not teach English language, then I regard that as not correct.
No one wants it to teach lax morals or the intricacies of Morris dancing, and we should where possible learn Hebrew and Aramaic, but to live in England and not be able to speak English is just not right.
LondonMale, you'd go outta your mind in the U.S. where perhaps 50% or more of the OJ population can't speak English anymore. Anything goes these days. Near-zero effort is par for the course. European OJ's who come to the U.S. are horrified at the laxity which has enveloped the tzibbur (they experience tooth-jarring culture shock).
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Leah, kindly take a look up above. I was responding to EMET who was not taking the whole picture into account. Thanks for your gracious time in peeking up above (if you are).
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