Wow.... everybody has to see that; it's the absolute truth. That is also why Americans today hate Jews, all the intelligent antisemites on talkback, those are always their arguments - except for the stupid ones who only repeat what others say. The truth has to be told.
The 'crime/s' of the Jews weren't worth the punishment though. No-one can justify such inhumanity, and should not try to explain it away as deserved 'divine' punishment for so called sins - it went far beyond anti-semitic hatred. There is no justification for such magnitudinal retribution whether heavenly or from mankind.
The sentence "there is no justification for such magnitudal retribution wheter HEAVENLY or from mankind" says pshat, that Hashem does not know what he does and that He punishes us without us being guilty. Sorry but this is just kfirah. I recommend to study bechukosai and several midrashim about the golus in egypt. Yes we don't know the reason for the punishment, but we acknowledge that His reason is emet and justified. To think otherwise is no jewish torah haskafa. It takes all the power from you and gives all life over to mikrah. Basically this is the shita of Amalek, which is preached by the western culture. Col tuv
What Rabbi Mizrahi is saying is not surprising at all and our Gedolim have been saying this BEFORE the Holocaust. This trend of rejecting such awareness to Jews continues today in our schools, as well as on religious websites! They wouldn't allow such comments posted even on religious sites. Believe it or not. Rabbi Mizrahi would be ousted on day one from Arutz-7, Yeshiva World, Matzav and Vos Is Neis for telling the truth!
Because it is utterly indecent to say that anyone - not to mention a fellow Jew - deserves such severe punishment. Be very careful when you point a trembling finger of blame and say 'those people deserve torture and death because of their moral failings'. Don't be so smug. Many, many righteous, Orthodox, pious Jews perished in the Holocaust along with the secular. Surely, they, too, must have 'deserved' it. Right? Right??
Agree with Anon @2:22 am. In fact, the creme of the crop (so to speak) were many of the victims (H' yikom damam) of the brutal Nazi amaleikim, yimach shmam v'zichrom. It is the righteous that, many times, suffer for the rest of the nation. We tend to think of the preWWII era was the same as this lowly era of today. Only amongst the newly formed communists & the few reform Jews did intermarriage take place and even then, these new communists & even Reform Jews wouldn't marry out of the fold. We pray that now before Olam HaBah, H' will create it with chesed and great mercy - Olam Chesed Yibaneh! nili
Excellent video and excellent comments too. Thanks to Rabbi Y. Mizrachi for bringing this video to see, but who is this wonderful Rav who is speaking on the video?
Each commenter above said something unique and were all correct. For over 3000 years, the Erev Rav within our midst have caused all this suffering and the weak minded Jews always seem to follow the wicked, thus, throwing off the yoke of Yiddishkeit and their emunah in H' and that is why the punishments have been so severe. How many times do the Jewish people have to suffer until they understand who they really are and the reason H' chose us to be His emissaries? The Rabbi spoke spoke to the point and short enough to hold people's attention. H' bless him. nili
The sad thing is that these Erev Rav Communist descendants are ruling the Jewish State and are the judges and lawmakers and meddling into everything even into religious affairs. Hadn't they learned and realized by now that they are the ones who bring on anti-semitism because the more they try to be like the western world, the more they are hated by non-Jews?
This book should be mandatory reading in all schools in Israel and Jewish schools around the globe.
Will the Erev Rav "Jews" start now to persecute this Wonderful True Rabbi Josef Ben Porat, like they recently have persecuted Rabbi Josef Mizrachi, as he crossed the political correct lines and dared to speak about the truth of the Shoah ?
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I have no disagreement with what the Rabbi is saying. I do have a disagreement on what he is implying, i.e., the Holocaust happened due to the sins of the Jews of that time. Why the holocaust occurred can't be explained, and anyone who tries, must be rejected. As the Lubavitcher rebbe, z'tl, has stated that the only thing one can say about the holocaust it was decreed in shomayim to happen before the redemption.
"The Lubavitcher Rebbe, of righteous memory, is widely recognized as one who played a singular role in defining post-Holocaust Jewry. But what did the Rebbe say and teach about that event itself?
Like millions of his generation, the Lubavitcher Rebbe was personally touched by the Holocaust. His younger brother, DovBer, was shot to death and thrown into a mass grave, as were tens of thousands of other Jews in a series of massacres conducted by the Germans shortly after their occupation of Dnepropetrovsk in the fall of 1941. A beloved grandmother and other family members were also killed. The Rebbe's wife lost her younger sister Sheina, who perished in Treblinka together with her husband and their adopted son.
In his writings and discussions on the subject, the Rebbe rejected all theological explanations for the Holocaust. What greater conceit -- the Rebbe would say -- and what greater heartlessness, can there be than to give a "reason" for the death and torture of millions of innocent men, women and children? Can we presume to assume that an explanation small enough to fit inside the finite bounds of human reason can explain a horror of such magnitude? We can only concede that there are things that lie beyond the finite ken of the human mind. Echoing his father-in-law, the Rebbe would say: It is not my task to justify G‑d on this. Only G‑d Himself can answer for what He allowed to happen. And the only answer we will accept, said the Rebbe, is the immediate and complete Redemption that will forever banish evil from the face of the earth and bring to light the intrinsic goodness and perfection of G‑d's creation."
B”H I finally viewed the Video. Very thought-provoking ideas and pronouncements therein. Rabbi Avigdor Miller zt”l wrote a definitive book on the subject, which I plan to read IY”H during the 3 weeks, called “A Divine Madness, Defense of Hashem in the Matter of the Holocaust”. Rabbi Miller was known to be ‘independent’ of what I call “the boys club” in order to be able to voice his thoughts purely without coercion from political entities or otherwise.
G-d already gave us the answer for what happened in the holocaust. As well as for what happened in the crusades, for the destruction of the first and second temples, for every evil that befell us in every generation. It would be totally inappropriate for a father to punish his children and not tell them what they were punished for. Who could think for a moment that G-d would do such a thing? It is written in the Torah that a person is deserving of the death penalty for quite a few different sins. That isn't acceptable to many today, but that is the way it is whether we agree with it or not. G-d does not change, and neither does the Torah. You may be thinking, "What about the innocent children?" Do you know what these people have done, or haven't done in a previous life? Of course you don't, so how can you say they were innocent? And if you say, what about the holy rabbis of the generation? Just remember sodom and gemorah. Why sodom abd gemorah? Do you think Avraham pleaded for the lives of the entire city of wicked people? No, he pleaded for the innocent people that would be killed along with the evil people if G-d destroyed the cities. And guess what? G-d agreed to spare even the evil ones in consideration of the innocents...to a point. If there were less than 10 innocents in those cities, G-d would NOT spare the cities for their sake. It was up to the innocents to save themselves by leaving the danger area. So you see, even innocents are not immune if they don't use common sense, or even if they happen to just get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, fortunately we know that G-d is perfect in judgement and we know, for WHATEVER reason, it was for the best. No reason to blame G-d.
I think it's a mistake to view our suffering as "punishment" as if it has been imposed upon us by the Judge. Instead, I think the Torah bears out that our suffering comes about as a natural consequence of our own actions, therefore the Torah implores us to "follow My commandments or thus will happen..." and "choose life...", etc.
We bring it all upon ourselves. Like it or not, historical fact bears out that many European Jews read the handwriting on the wall and got out in time. Those who did not have only themselves to blame, regardless of the reason.
Wow.... everybody has to see that; it's the absolute truth. That is also why Americans today hate Jews, all the intelligent antisemites on talkback, those are always their arguments - except for the stupid ones who only repeat what others say. The truth has to be told.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
So basically because of the eRev rav psychology. But they are not the only ones who can play psychology.
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The 'crime/s' of the Jews weren't worth the punishment though. No-one can justify such inhumanity, and should not try to explain it away as deserved 'divine' punishment for so called sins - it went far beyond anti-semitic hatred. There is no justification for such magnitudinal retribution whether heavenly or from mankind.
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The sentence "there is no justification for such magnitudal retribution wheter HEAVENLY or from mankind" says pshat, that Hashem does not know what he does and that He punishes us without us being guilty. Sorry but this is just kfirah. I recommend to study bechukosai and several midrashim about the golus in egypt. Yes we don't know the reason for the punishment, but we acknowledge that His reason is emet and justified. To think otherwise is no jewish torah haskafa. It takes all the power from you and gives all life over to mikrah. Basically this is the shita of Amalek, which is preached by the western culture. Col tuv
DeleteWhat Rabbi Mizrahi is saying is not surprising at all and our Gedolim have been saying this BEFORE the Holocaust. This trend of rejecting such awareness to Jews continues today in our schools, as well as on religious websites! They wouldn't allow such comments posted even on religious sites. Believe it or not. Rabbi Mizrahi would be ousted on day one from Arutz-7, Yeshiva World, Matzav and Vos Is Neis for telling the truth!
ReplyDeleteBecause it is utterly indecent to say that anyone - not to mention a fellow Jew - deserves such severe punishment. Be very careful when you point a trembling finger of blame and say 'those people deserve torture and death because of their moral failings'. Don't be so smug. Many, many righteous, Orthodox, pious Jews perished in the Holocaust along with the secular. Surely, they, too, must have 'deserved' it. Right? Right??
DeleteAgree with Anon @2:22 am. In fact, the creme of the crop (so to speak) were many of the victims (H' yikom damam) of the brutal Nazi amaleikim, yimach shmam v'zichrom. It is the righteous that, many times, suffer for the rest of the nation. We tend to think of the preWWII era was the same as this lowly era of today. Only amongst the newly formed communists & the few reform Jews did intermarriage take place and even then, these new communists & even Reform Jews wouldn't marry out of the fold. We pray that now before Olam HaBah, H' will create it with chesed and great mercy - Olam Chesed Yibaneh! nili
DeleteExcellent video and excellent comments too. Thanks to Rabbi Y. Mizrachi for bringing this video to see, but who is this wonderful Rav who is speaking on the video?
ReplyDeleteEach commenter above said something unique and were all correct.
For over 3000 years, the Erev Rav within our midst have caused all this suffering and the weak minded Jews always seem to follow the wicked, thus, throwing off the yoke of Yiddishkeit and their emunah in H' and that is why the punishments have been so severe. How many times do the Jewish people have to suffer until they understand who they really are and the reason H' chose us to be His emissaries? The Rabbi spoke spoke to the point and short enough to hold people's attention. H' bless him.
nili
The sad thing is that these Erev Rav Communist descendants are ruling the Jewish State and are the judges and lawmakers and meddling into everything even into religious affairs. Hadn't they learned and realized by now that they are the ones who bring on anti-semitism because the more they try to be like the western world, the more they are hated by non-Jews?
ReplyDeleteThis book should be mandatory reading in all schools in Israel and Jewish schools around the globe.
Will the Erev Rav "Jews" start now to persecute this Wonderful True Rabbi Josef Ben Porat, like they recently have persecuted Rabbi Josef Mizrachi, as he crossed the political correct lines and dared to speak about the truth of the Shoah ?
ReplyDeleteThe FULL lecture by Rabbi Josef Ben Porat about Shoah is here:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoKBC_bIODM
Or at Hidabroot: http://www.hidabroot.org/video/61349
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ReplyDeleteI have no disagreement with what the Rabbi is saying. I do have a disagreement on what he is implying, i.e., the Holocaust happened due to the sins of the Jews of that time. Why the holocaust occurred can't be explained, and anyone who tries, must be rejected. As the Lubavitcher rebbe, z'tl, has stated that the only thing one can say about the holocaust it was decreed in shomayim to happen before the redemption.
ReplyDelete"The Lubavitcher Rebbe, of righteous memory, is widely recognized as one who played a singular role in defining post-Holocaust Jewry. But what did the Rebbe say and teach about that event itself?
Like millions of his generation, the Lubavitcher Rebbe was personally touched by the Holocaust. His younger brother, DovBer, was shot to death and thrown into a mass grave, as were tens of thousands of other Jews in a series of massacres conducted by the Germans shortly after their occupation of Dnepropetrovsk in the fall of 1941. A beloved grandmother and other family members were also killed. The Rebbe's wife lost her younger sister Sheina, who perished in Treblinka together with her husband and their adopted son.
In his writings and discussions on the subject, the Rebbe rejected all theological explanations for the Holocaust. What greater conceit -- the Rebbe would say -- and what greater heartlessness, can there be than to give a "reason" for the death and torture of millions of innocent men, women and children? Can we presume to assume that an explanation small enough to fit inside the finite bounds of human reason can explain a horror of such magnitude? We can only concede that there are things that lie beyond the finite ken of the human mind. Echoing his father-in-law, the Rebbe would say: It is not my task to justify G‑d on this. Only G‑d Himself can answer for what He allowed to happen. And the only answer we will accept, said the Rebbe, is the immediate and complete Redemption that will forever banish evil from the face of the earth and bring to light the intrinsic goodness and perfection of G‑d's creation."
I've allowed a wider latitude with regard to comments on this post, but use caution in your replies.
ReplyDeleteB”H I finally viewed the Video. Very thought-provoking ideas and pronouncements therein. Rabbi Avigdor Miller zt”l wrote a definitive book on the subject, which I plan to read IY”H during the 3 weeks, called “A Divine Madness, Defense of Hashem in the Matter of the Holocaust”. Rabbi Miller was known to be ‘independent’ of what I call “the boys club” in order to be able to voice his thoughts purely without coercion from political entities or otherwise.
ReplyDeleteG-d already gave us the answer for what happened in the holocaust. As well as for what happened in the crusades, for the destruction of the first and second temples, for every evil that befell us in every generation. It would be totally inappropriate for a father to punish his children and not tell them what they were punished for. Who could think for a moment that G-d would do such a thing? It is written in the Torah that a person is deserving of the death penalty for quite a few different sins. That isn't acceptable to many today, but that is the way it is whether we agree with it or not. G-d does not change, and neither does the Torah. You may be thinking, "What about the innocent children?" Do you know what these people have done, or haven't done in a previous life? Of course you don't, so how can you say they were innocent? And if you say, what about the holy rabbis of the generation? Just remember sodom and gemorah. Why sodom abd gemorah? Do you think Avraham pleaded for the lives of the entire city of wicked people? No, he pleaded for the innocent people that would be killed along with the evil people if G-d destroyed the cities. And guess what? G-d agreed to spare even the evil ones in consideration of the innocents...to a point. If there were less than 10 innocents in those cities, G-d would NOT spare the cities for their sake. It was up to the innocents to save themselves by leaving the danger area. So you see, even innocents are not immune if they don't use common sense, or even if they happen to just get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. However, fortunately we know that G-d is perfect in judgement and we know, for WHATEVER reason, it was for the best. No reason to blame G-d.
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I think it's a mistake to view our suffering as "punishment" as if it has been imposed upon us by the Judge. Instead, I think the Torah bears out that our suffering comes about as a natural consequence of our own actions, therefore the Torah implores us to "follow My commandments or thus will happen..." and "choose life...", etc.
DeleteWe bring it all upon ourselves. Like it or not, historical fact bears out that many European Jews read the handwriting on the wall and got out in time. Those who did not have only themselves to blame, regardless of the reason.