10 Marcheshvan 5787
[Don't be afraid from the videos, they are all short 馃槈]
You heard mention in yesterday's video about the First International Congress of Noahides to be held on November 2, 2026. I think we have to get into that right now before we proceed further. My head is spinning right now with all the information flooding in and the need to make orderly sense of it all.
David Hamelech wrote "That which is wondrous in our eyes is from Hashem." Today, David Hamelech would probably say it this way, "Whatever goes viral, you can bet Hashem is behind it."
My experience with and knowledge of the "Noahide movement" goes back 25 years. Back then, Chr*stians were not included in the definition of who is a righteous gentile. These were people following a move of God that brought many thousands of former Chr*stians out of the church and out of the belief in Yeshu. Waves of them began to convert to Judaism while others who could not make that commitment were left to wonder what God expected from them and they began consulting rabbis who had never dealt with the matter before. Out of that came books on the Seven Laws of Noah and ongoing discussions among all concerned.
Two intractable problems arose, as I see it. The Laws of Noah are in place to regulate a proper working of society where people can grow and prosper and fulfill their purpose in the creation. It is not a religion and does not offer a religious way of life.
The Problems
1. The former Chr*stians missed the religious aspect of their lives and kept insisting that they needed a substitute for the 'losses' they suffered by giving it up. They implored the rabbis to provide it to them.
2. The Jews involved are very chesed-oriented and they sympathized with the new Bnei Noach or Noahides, for wont of a better term, and different solutions began to be discussed to address these issues.
Most unfortunately, two very serious consequences have developed.
The Consequences
1. Some rabbis have determined (against the halachah) that Chr*stianity is not idolatry and as Bible-believers they fulfill the Seven Laws of Noah; therefore, practicing Chr*stians may be termed "righteous gentiles among the nations". This negates the need or desirability of having another class of people called Noahides. No reason they should give up their Chr*stian way of life. They advise remaining in the church (as you heard Gimpel say in the video I shared yesterday) and being the "best Chr*stian they can be."
2. Other rabbis have heeded the calls and demands from those who identify with the original so-called Noahide movement to a point where, despite denials, they are essentially creating something that could conceivably become a new religion; providing them with siddurim and creating life cycle events with specific rituals, etc.
Now, how did this subject suddenly go viral on social media to the point that there is a global awakening to it with Chr*stians worldwide being terrorized by claims of persecution and execution under these laws. I have to say, not without some basis, when you see what is actually being perpetrated by the Congress organizers.
This was the spark that lit the fire:
Ben Shapiro at TPUSA on Oct 7, 2026
Tucker Carlson Reacts to
Viral Ben Shapiro Clip
(To be continued...)
Where do I begin? I supposed should write something extensive on this. But I have already written about why Christians may not reside in Eretz Yisrael.
ReplyDeleteHow Close Should Israel Keep Its Enemies?
This was a response to a post from a Hasbara (PR) person. You can scroll down to Deut. 7:2 for the beginning of the statement of halakhah.
Furthermore, Christians are prevented from residing in the Land under normal circumstances due to their rejection of the truth (I did not write authority, but truth) of the Oral Torah. This is the same as one of the reasons the Canaanites were disqualified from remaining in the Land. As it is written ״They shall not dwell in thy land--״ (Ex. 23:33). The meaning here is that kefriah (denial of any aspect of Torah) disqualifies a non-Jew from residency.
A Ger Toshav must not simply observe the Seven Laws of Bnei Noah, but must accept that the entire Torah is truth. Sneaking into the category of Ben Noah is their first step on the path of invading the Land.
I do get the sense that "Noachidism" is becoming a religion. They seem to want an "emotional connection", much like they had in their previous religion.
ReplyDeleteIn the last video he certainly is ecstatic about the "divinity of man". I think Nissim glosses over parts of the religion. First, the demigod aspect but that includes the "worship" of this god. For some the learning of Hebrew has changed minds because that alone is a 'testament' against the religion.
So far all seem to be upset there may be some requirements in the Noachide laws. They all prefer to do their own thing, which causes revisions over time. Case in point, Toeiva. Before the SCOTUS decision most were outspoken regarding these perversions. Some time after the decision all that went by the wayside. Even Charlie Kirk would condemn Islam because of their attitudes on LG..... and praise how Israel and the US tolerates them.
I searched the reference on Noachide laws. In Acts 15 it doesn't use the term but the description is the same.
27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Typical rebel thinking: "it seemed good to us" - this is how so many Jews are treating the Torah and halachah, too. Whatever seems good to them they take and feel free to tweak it as they go. Notice they whittled the seven down to two, if I'm generous and count the abstaining from food offered to idols as a rejection of idolatry. Not the seven laws at all.
DeleteBelieve the rabbis who say that holding on to the non-Jewish world's
ReplyDeletebelief systems are 'okay', just as long as they believe in the 7 Noahide
laws too, makes no sense. First, because most religions today do believe and adhere to the basic 7 Laws of Noach. Secondly, it is an understood by any Orthodox G-D fearing Jew, especially rabbis, that no other religion and belief system will continue after the coming of Moshiach tzdkeinu, other than the belief and trust in Hashem Yisbarach, Ain od Milvado! To think otherwise is so utterly totally false
and heretical. We pray 3 times daily the Aleinu prayer. The Seven Laws of Noach (bnai Noach/Noahides) are for all of humanity which was given to all of humanity, with no other attachment/s to their previous belief systems, other than believing in the G-D of Creation, the G-D of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! That is the first Commandment of the Ten
Commandments given at Mt. Sinai.
At the beginning of creation for the first thousand years or so, all people understood and knew there is only Hashem, it was afterwards
when they started to become corrupted with idolatry, and every criminality and immorality as never before, so there was no alternative
for Hashem, but to destroy mankind with the great Flood.
There are those who maybe mistakenly misinterpret our holy Torah.
Thankfully, we have reached a time where peoples and religions live
with one another peacefully and no one wants to offend.
The Will of the Almighty cannot be manipulated and not even an
iota of Torah can be played with or changed.
c.s.
Yes.
DeleteThat's how idolatry started, they said it's ok to pay honor to the Creator's servants, then built temples to do it and pay homage and then turned into full idolatry. Paying homage to JC is no different than the original star worshippers that added something to the worship of the One true Creator and G-d. Xtians worship a different being than HaShem, just ask them if JC is who they think HaShem is, then the truth will come out. Remember their book says it's part of their creed to lie for the sake of converting Jews.
ReplyDeleteRabbeinu Tam should not be quoted as though he “permitted idolatry” for Bnei Noach. That is not what the Tosafot says.
DeleteThe entire discussion in Tosafot Sanhedrin 63b, s.v. 讗住讜专 诇讗讚诐 砖讬注砖讛 砖讜转驻讜转, and Tosafot Bekhorot 2b, s.v. 砖诪讗 讬转讞讬讬讘, concerns a non-Jew’s oath and whether a Jew may cause or accept such an oath. The Gemara itself frames the issue as: 砖诪讗 讬转讞讬讬讘 诇讜 砖讘讜注讛 — lest the non-Jew become obligated to swear. Rabbeinu Tam permits accepting that oath in the circumstances discussed.
Tosafot concludes: “讜诇讚讬讚谉 诇讗 讗砖讻讞谉 讗讬住讜专 讘讙专诐 砖讬转讜祝” — “for us, we have not found a prohibition in causing shituf.” The discussion is 讙专诐 砖讬转讜祝, lifnei iver, and an oath — not a declaration that a Ben Noach may worship a second divine being.
Indeed, major Acharonim explicitly make this distinction: Me’il Tzedakah §22, Sha’ar Ephraim §24, Pri Megadim OC 156:2 / YD 65:11, and Noda BiYehuda Tinyana YD §148 understand the Tosafot as not permitting actual idolatrous worship through shituf.
And the Rambam could hardly be clearer: “讘谉 谞讞 砖注讘讚 注讘讜讚讛 讝专讛 讛专讬 讝讛 讞讬讬讘” — “A Ben Noach who worships avodah zarah is liable” (Hilchot Melachim 9:2), adding that even forms for which he is not executed remain forbidden.
The Rambam also explains that idolatry itself began when people still believed in the Creator but gave religious honor and worship to created intermediaries (Hilchot Avodat Kochavim 1:1).
So the distinction matters: Rabbeinu Tam discusses shituf in an oath; he does not issue a heter to worship another being as G-d. Acknowledging HaShem while directing divine worship toward a created being does not magically cease to be an avodah-zarah question. (This and the above comment are from me - RYD)
Thank you so much.
DeleteRYD is absolutely right. This opinion from Rabbeinu Tam has been misrepresented too many times, claiming this rules out Christians as practicing avodah zarah.
Deletealthough I must point out that hand copied version of the Mishneh Torah brought to Israel from Yemen by the Qapah family displayed Hilchot Avodah Zarah and not Hilchot Avodat Kochavim, which most now accept as Christian censorship. Hil. A"Z 9:4 explicitly calls out Christians; whereas censored versions have replaced them with Romans or Kuthim. I'm just reminding all of us that we need to be careful.
There was a segment in the full video that I did not include where the argument was made that Rambam's 'opinion' was inferior to Rabbeinu Tam's davka because he lived in Muslim lands and had little to no experience with Xians. Rabbeinu Tam, on the other hand, lived in Xian lands and knew them more intimately and understood them.
DeleteThe Torah tells us that the influence of close association tempers our opinions in many cases, especially in this situation where the person making this claim has the assumption that had Rambam known these Xians better, he would also have a more favorable opinion of them.
Then there is the reality of censorship in Xian Europe and the threat of violence against innocent Jews due to something someone of stature in the community might write or say against Chr*stianity.
Rambam did not have those same constraints. It seemed to me that for the same reasons given, it would have actually strengthened his approach, rather than weakening it.
Tomer Devorah, yes.
DeleteAnd worse yet, many discount the possibility, if not probability that Rabbenu Gershon (limiting men to one wife) and the Meiri were influenced by their environments, even pressure from the Church.
One of these two (sorry remember) ruled in favor of conducting commerce with Christians. Their status was in question as A"Z.
Many "rabbis" neglect the fact that the Meiri and Rabbenu Gershon's rulings do not change the constraints on non-Jews residing in Israel as gerei Tzedeq. By definition Christians are deniers of the Oral Torah. The Rambam in Hil. Teshuva 3:17 mentions them explicitly, and Muslims as denying the Torah entirely.
Did Shapiro actually say it's good that gentiles believe in JC? What is wrong with this guy? He needs to shut his mouth, repent and get out of the U.S. He is causing us so much damage.
ReplyDeleteSimply put, all this is coming about because this whole process is being and was orchestrated so that Torah in EY can be watered down, c'v, and their plans of creating a whole new so-called 'Judaism', c'v.
ReplyDeleteAll this is happening because of the Erev Rav within our midst who are enabling this to proceed with lightening speed. This was the goal of the Erev Rav from the moment they came along with us at yetziat Mitzrayim. They want to make a complete mixing up of the Jewish people with, c'v, others.
None of these topics are supposed to be happening because these
matters will be left for MBD to sort out. Our Torah can never, ever be
tampered with. Both the Written and Oral Laws are Divine!
Ridiculous to push this movement which can easily make a mishmosh
of the real Am Yisrael.
What we need is to emphasize that we Jews do teshuvah and to cleanse the Land of all the taivah that is going on at present, which will then hasten the coming of Moshiach.
We forget how shrewd our enemies are; those from within and the
external ones.