14 Menachem Av 5786
In line with the title, this is a follow-up to the previous blog post. There is quite a lot of neglected work that needs to be done before any serious attempt to rebuild the Beit Hamikdash can take place.
Despite decades of warnings and appeals, there is a viper's nest in the midst of the Shomron that just keeps growing and growing, putting more and more Jews at life risk.
Please revisit this 2011 article: Har Bracha residents: Chr*stians Out!
One year ago, HaRav Dov Lior, shlita, issued a psak din: "it is forbidden to cooperate with or accept any support or assistance from the organization "HaYovel." (See A Decision 20 Years in the Making).
Instantaneously, "Hayovel" was rebranded as "The Israel Guys" and business proceeded as usual.
Despite the firm belief of millions of righteous Jews who live here, Israel is not a Jewish State. Jews are obligated to observe Torah Law and any purportedly Jewish country would be bound by that same law which, like Rav Lior's psak din, would forbid the establishment of a Chr*stian "base of operations" in the midst of a Jewish yishuv.
However, the secular Western-democratic system that currently holds sway here does not allow us to expel the Chr*stians. So what do we do? We go after the Jews who enable them.
As a first step, until we have the proper form of government for the Jewish nation, we have a tool that was used very effectively in the Diaspora. I propose we make holy use of the herem. After all, we all want to rebuild the Beit Hamikdash don't we? Do you really imagine it will stand in the absence of the imposition of Torah Law in society at large? Surely, this is an appropriate step in the right direction!
...[T]he term herem ... [indicates] the act of excommunicating people who disobeyed the law or authorities. If the elders and rabbis of a community believed a person to be disobedient, the offender was punished by being forced into isolation, removed from the community at large. The excommunication could last anywhere from a day to a lifetime, depending on the urgency of the convicted act. Once the allotted time has elapse the individual may return to the community as long as he repents for his actions.
If my suggestion makes you the least bit queasy or squeamish at the very idea, I don't want to hear anything more from you about Har Habayit construction! It is not a serious subject for discussion - YET!! Most unfortunately.
After knowing exactly who they are and what they do, I still do not understand how the Rav of Har Bracha allows them to remain there and continue their activities.
ReplyDeleteBecause there are no consequences.
DeleteI would think that the Psak of R Dov Lior would mean something.
DeleteMoney makes the world go round, the world go round, the world go round...
DeleteDean Maughvet
The Yerushalmi says sinas chinam AND love of money were responsible for the churban.
DeleteMoney may be (and likely is) involved, but my guess is it's more political. Orders coming down from the PM's office which is in response to orders coming down from Washington, DC.
DeleteYou can bet that Huckabee will be at the party on July 30th.
It's as if Hashem has blinded his eyes. He wrote a piece about this a while ago, both on his own blog and a7. He said that anyone who doesn't accept these people, wont' accept Moshiach. He said that they (the missionaries) are part of the redemptive process. He doesn't call them missionaries, but forget exactly, maybe the nations.
DeleteRegarding money, he said that no money was accepted, but they work as volunteers.
Yet if volunteer work replaces what would otherwise be paid labour, that is payment in kind.
To Anon above: Their whole goal is to eventually replace or connect their avoda zorah to the Torah, c'v elef alfei p'a'mim!
DeleteIf you have watched any of their videos, there is not a word of
missionizing, just showing their 'respect & love' to Torah Judaism
and also with the help of the two rabbis they have as guests; so it is easy for the typical secular or unlearned modren orthodox Jew, etc., to fall prey to all this, c'v.
One can start to think that it's okay because of their emphasizing their 'love' . They realize that Jews tend to fall easily to expessions of 'love' by the nations, but we who know better realize this and know the true end of the story. All the nations will know and see the truth that there is none other than Hashem when Moshiach tzdkeinu arrives!
Maybe these guys will yet become bnai Noach!
But, this is still a 'dangerous' game, but as we say "Utzu eitzah v'sufar, dabru davar v'lo yakum, ki imanu Kel'!
chelm
What is your view on the avodah zarah they practice daily on holy Land? Is that having any adverse effect, do you think? What about the commandment not to settle them among us in this Land?
DeleteOf course, in reality a non-Jew is not allowed to live or own property in EY, but, of course, to the gvt, that means absolutely nothing.
DeleteIn the messianic era, only bnai Noach will be able to live in the Land (outside,. of course, the Jewish people). There are probably many laws pertaining to this, I presume.
As far as their living on the Land and performing avodah zorah, it's doubtful that anything is done about it because everything is okay in EY, r'l. Just like any other country.
Everything that is going on (like those parades) in the public sphere, etc., seems to be just 'wonderful' to the general population, r'l. It's all so very sad and worrisome.
chelm
Link to 2011 article is broken or dose not exist. Abraham
ReplyDeleteIt's working now. Thanks.
DeleteDid Rav Lior actually restrict his psak to HaYovel specifically, or was it a blanket prohibition, regardless of the nom du jour?
ReplyDeleteThere is a copy of it at the embedded link. They are using both names to make the connection clear to their followers. The intent is the Rav's part is also clear, but some may see it as a means around it on a technicality. No such thing exists in reality.
DeleteJonathan Pollard: Release Tal Yinon Dardik
ReplyDeleteNote: Contact info for Defense Minister Israel Katz...
Phone: (02) 640-8518 Fax: (02) 6406525
Email: yiskatz@knesset.gov.il
Suggested text:
Delete.כפי שהבטחת... לבטל בצווים למעצרים מנהליים. שחרור טל ינון דרדיק.
See also: Katz goes all out against IDF attempts to reduce Jewish violence against Palestinians - analysis
Who does Avi Bluth answer to if not the Defense Minister?
In '48 and '67 when we got back some more of our Land, those arab houses came in handy for many Jewish families. So will any other construction that comes into our hands when the time comes for us to expand our Land and remove unwanted non-geirim squatters. ......Neshama
ReplyDeleteI saw there were online videos by these "Israel guys". After a couple episodes something didn't seem right so I quit watching them. I must say, these Xtians are becoming more and more devious. No doubt to pull more people into their idolatry.
ReplyDeleteSomeone wrote, 'you say you come in truth, yet you deceive'
DeleteIn their own words they are absolutely allow to lie to further their goals. They discuss this on their websites. Eg, they are told that if they claim to be a doctor or english teacher, they absolutely have to be dr, teacher etc, and then use it as a vehicle. Particularly reprehensible, they have a whole sub field of medical missionising. They do it in Israel too, with free dental clinics.
Hitoreri
As always, the root of the issue, whether regarding missionaries, erev rav, the local security situation, geopolitics, is aliya. It's not a little side issue, nice to have, its' the root. The more Jews there are in EY keeping Torah and mitzvot the stonger our physical and spiritual and political hold on the land. Frum Jews who refuse to make aliya, thus keeping their zechuyot hostage to the ministers of the nations where they live, are the problem.
DeleteYet another attack on Jews in Toronto, bitterly ironcially on a Jewish security firm. As if Hashem is saying it doesn't matter how much you spend and invest in security, the exile is over. (of course jews should take protective measures as they plan their mass emergency aliya, but as a protective measure in the interim, not as the plan to cling to the galut into perpetuity.)
Years ago i commented it was time to sell up, pack up and pick up. The time for selling up is winding down, and even that do it at a reduced price for a quick sale and count yourself lucky. And obviously don't sell to another jew.
Your country needs you.
Hitoreri
Exile will be over for all Jews in all locations. All Four Corners .B”H.
DeleteVery interesting situation we are in it.
ReplyDeleteIt's time for real Jews from all spectrums, to overthrow the burden of the sodomite judicial hunta.
Demolish the pyramid, clean the Land from the sodomite judges.
Torah Law NOW for all Israel
the people who returned to his Land, to serve HaShem and reestablish His Kingdom.
G-D of Israel , HE IS our Lawgiver.
Here we have the red pill 💊 ,
take it and recognize the erev ravians fake orthodox....those who support now the 😈 evil judges and their corrupted decisions ,
against our haredi brothers.
Torah Law NOW for all Israel
the people who returned to his Land, to serve HaShem and reestablish His Kingdom.
G-D of Israel , HE IS our Lawgiver.
YES
ReplyDeleteThe main reason hamas, xtians, erev rav, sodomy, evil can proliferate is because of the consciousness of the people. Where is the Chessed within? Is it connected to all aspects of inner life? Is empathy the driver? Who or what is driving the individual - what is the motivation? When singularly this is identified, then the outer can be addressed. The reality of this is - Israel/Land/People are the body - the symptoms and conditions are feeding due to infiltration of a weak immune system. The immune system (Immune/Emune) is the deepest level of connection - in all directions within the body and outward/upward. Without consciousness of this you're basically naming the symptoms - without every addressing root cause.
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