The doctors in EY are not as good? C'mon. Kids in LA are well adjusted looking at all the homeless and disgusting government powers? The kids won't adjust to a land full of kedusha, please!! American weddings...disgusting.. and the poskim who hold that not going...are in trouble in shemayim. -leah, oleh
The Satmar Rebbe He had a distinctly different hashqafah than Rav Kook, and saw the Three Oaths differently. Rabbi Kahane, of course, shows that these oaths are now null and void.
The Satmar Rebbe never cursed individual Zionists, and even gave such individuals tzedaqah when asked. He himself stated that the correct place for the performance of mitzvot was EY.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe did not visit EY because he knew he would not be allowed to leave (Chabbadniks from Meah Shearim). He also knew there was a need to help Jews outside of Israel. He was making this sacrifice.
Didn't Rav Feinstein also stay for this reason?
We could go back and forth all day. Why did the GRA send his students to EY? Why did he try to come?
R schoff is too emphatic. 100% of communities won't welcome black hat families? I live in Har nof and I'm dati. And we all get along by the shabbos table. Har nof is all colors. And so are many neighborhoods. Why is he campaigning for American life...I don't get it. Halacha? Poskim? He admitted he wasn't an emotional jew. That is his detriment from the start... -leah
I have so much to say but perhaps I'll start from the end. One, I do not think you can....or should....have any American rabbi say outright that it is time to leave America and that we must leave to EY. Such a comment would undoubtedly be discovered and would mark the Jewish community as a 3rd Column within America. We already have enough trouble with being painted as such now. Two, as for Rav Moshe or Rav Yaakov not moving is not comparable to any individual today. For many reasons. One, no offense to anyone, but 99.9% are not of Rav Moshe's caliber. Two, They were rebuilding the Orthodox world after WW2; much different. Three, the post Covid, remote work world and now post Oct 7th increased anti Semitic and very much a Woke America is a different world from the 70-90's. Two, I have an issue with Rabbi Shaf's argument about the disconnect of the American Yeshivish world and the American Chareidi world in Israel, even in Ramat Bet Shemesh, where I live. And in a way that might be his strongest point but.....Though Rabbi Shaf says many times that he loves EY and comes every year and he touches all the right points about how not being able to live here pains him....it, to me, doesn't seem to hit quite right. The comfort ....and to him ...it sounds like the security he feels of the easier fit in America just makes the idea of living here....with his grown children....not the first 7 years with very young children.....seem unreachable. I don't hear at all in his words the pain of being in Galus in America and what that means in detail. He wants both worlds; learning several years and then being able to be a lawyer and still be considered Chareidi and not c'v Tzioni. But the world over there is changing....and this I see as something that is missing. To me Rabbi Shaf sees an unchanging world....my children will have many people just like me to choose from for a shidduch, they can learn and they can work. Wow, I can have my cake and eat it too. And I won't have to separate from family and it'll all be good for my family 30 or 40 years from now. But it is impossible not to be influenced by the outside world. I'm from Baltimore and just on a short visit back I can see how much the Wokeness is around you; on the radio, in the stores, in a secular pharmacy. And what about the higher level of kedushah that is attained even in our day in EY? That is still existent here. I see a lot of gashmius in Lakewood; maybe not everyone, but enough to be a nisayon. I'm sure it must be true in LA. Here there is much less gashmius; enough to be comfortable but much less than America. I feel that everyone....at all levels....goes up a notch here. Bottom line....I feel that Rabbi Shaf is missing the point if he really believes that it's a mitzvah kayemes to be here and that he wishes he could be. The world it is a changing.....the yeshivish world has to think ahead and not wait for "the pattern" to exist here; youj need to create it. Young people need to be encouraged to make aliyah....when they are in seminary/yeshivah/newly married they are most able to change their lives. Just like you did for 7 years. Conversational Hebrew has to be taught in Bais Yaakovs and yeshivas, not just MOdern Orthodox schools. The rabbis, like I said in the beginning, can not say this explicitly, but it needs to be a groundswell from the bottom. EAch Jew, each family deciding on their own. And as for the draft issue I think it wasn't stressed enough.....there are ways to get around it.....live here, but don't make aliyah. Call Chaim V'Chesed; research it. Yearn to be Here...as Individuals, as Communities....you can recreate your kehillas here....you'd be amazed how Ramat Bet Shemesh is growing....it is an easy landing for Anglos. You can make the change.
Just want to take the opportunity to express gratitude for Call Chaim V'Chesed. I found them to be helpful with a complicated issue I had. They couldn't help me with it, but were able to point me in the right direction. Very nice and caring Jews.... unlike AACI. Yep. I wrote that.
In summary...what's off the Depeche about living in EY when there is teshuva just by living in the.land? Tell me that walking the streets of America with all the pritzus ...IS EVEN ON THE DERECH IN THE FIRST PLACE??? -leah
The doctors in EY are not as good? C'mon. Kids in LA are well adjusted looking at all the homeless and disgusting government powers? The kids won't adjust to a land full of kedusha, please!! American weddings...disgusting.. and the poskim who hold that not going...are in trouble in shemayim.
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I don't have an hour to watch this.
ReplyDeleteThe Satmar Rebbe He had a distinctly different hashqafah than Rav Kook, and saw the Three Oaths differently. Rabbi Kahane, of course, shows that these oaths are now null and void.
The Satmar Rebbe never cursed individual Zionists, and even gave such individuals tzedaqah when asked. He himself stated that the correct place for the performance of mitzvot was EY.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe did not visit EY because he knew he would not be allowed to leave (Chabbadniks from Meah Shearim). He also knew there was a need to help Jews outside of Israel. He was making this sacrifice.
Didn't Rav Feinstein also stay for this reason?
We could go back and forth all day. Why did the GRA send his students to EY? Why did he try to come?
Why did the Hazon Ish come?
I wonder why these rabbis are participating in this potential exploitation of a disagreement between two Jews.
ReplyDeleteR schoff is too emphatic. 100% of communities won't welcome black hat families? I live in Har nof and I'm dati. And we all get along by the shabbos table. Har nof is all colors. And so are many neighborhoods. Why is he campaigning for American life...I don't get it. Halacha? Poskim? He admitted he wasn't an emotional jew. That is his detriment from the start...
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Could we please discount poskim of 50 years ago????
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I have so much to say but perhaps I'll start from the end. One, I do not think you can....or should....have any American rabbi say outright that it is time to leave America and that we must leave to EY. Such a comment would undoubtedly be discovered and would mark the Jewish community as a 3rd Column within America. We already have enough trouble with being painted as such now. Two, as for Rav Moshe or Rav Yaakov not moving is not comparable to any individual today. For many reasons. One, no offense to anyone, but 99.9% are not of Rav Moshe's caliber. Two, They were rebuilding the Orthodox world after WW2; much different. Three, the post Covid, remote work world and now post Oct 7th increased anti Semitic and very much a Woke America is a different world from the 70-90's. Two, I have an issue with Rabbi Shaf's argument about the disconnect of the American Yeshivish world and the American Chareidi world in Israel, even in Ramat Bet Shemesh, where I live. And in a way that might be his strongest point but.....Though Rabbi Shaf says many times that he loves EY and comes every year and he touches all the right points about how not being able to live here pains him....it, to me, doesn't seem to hit quite right. The comfort ....and to him ...it sounds like the security he feels of the easier fit in America just makes the idea of living here....with his grown children....not the first 7 years with very young children.....seem unreachable. I don't hear at all in his words the pain of being in Galus in America and what that means in detail. He wants both worlds; learning several years and then being able to be a lawyer and still be considered Chareidi and not c'v Tzioni. But the world over there is changing....and this I see as something that is missing. To me Rabbi Shaf sees an unchanging world....my children will have many people just like me to choose from for a shidduch, they can learn and they can work. Wow, I can have my cake and eat it too. And I won't have to separate from family and it'll all be good for my family 30 or 40 years from now. But it is impossible not to be influenced by the outside world. I'm from Baltimore and just on a short visit back I can see how much the Wokeness is around you; on the radio, in the stores, in a secular pharmacy. And what about the higher level of kedushah that is attained even in our day in EY? That is still existent here. I see a lot of gashmius in Lakewood; maybe not everyone, but enough to be a nisayon. I'm sure it must be true in LA. Here there is much less gashmius; enough to be comfortable but much less than America. I feel that everyone....at all levels....goes up a notch here. Bottom line....I feel that Rabbi Shaf is missing the point if he really believes that it's a mitzvah kayemes to be here and that he wishes he could be. The world it is a changing.....the yeshivish world has to think ahead and not wait for "the pattern" to exist here; youj need to create it. Young people need to be encouraged to make aliyah....when they are in seminary/yeshivah/newly married they are most able to change their lives. Just like you did for 7 years. Conversational Hebrew has to be taught in Bais Yaakovs and yeshivas, not just MOdern Orthodox schools. The rabbis, like I said in the beginning, can not say this explicitly, but it needs to be a groundswell from the bottom. EAch Jew, each family deciding on their own. And as for the draft issue I think it wasn't stressed enough.....there are ways to get around it.....live here, but don't make aliyah. Call Chaim V'Chesed; research it. Yearn to be Here...as Individuals, as Communities....you can recreate your kehillas here....you'd be amazed how Ramat Bet Shemesh is growing....it is an easy landing for Anglos. You can make the change.
ReplyDeleteJust want to take the opportunity to express gratitude for Call Chaim V'Chesed. I found them to be helpful with a complicated issue I had. They couldn't help me with it, but were able to point me in the right direction. Very nice and caring Jews.... unlike AACI. Yep. I wrote that.
DeleteThank you for sharing this important organization !
DeleteWait a couple years...the draft is coming bk to America...and that army is Not the for a jew...
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In summary...what's off the Depeche about living in EY when there is teshuva just by living in the.land? Tell me that walking the streets of America with all the pritzus ...IS EVEN ON THE DERECH IN THE FIRST PLACE???
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When I click on the link I get "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot". That doesn't work for me.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what to tell you. They work for me. I've never seen such a request from Youtube; however, I am always signed in.
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