tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post3464202457667697457..comments2024-03-29T07:15:48.612+03:00Comments on TOMER DEVORAH: Binyamin: "The Last Crusade" - Questions and Answers (Part 2)Devorah Chayahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-7926775003694130112014-06-29T05:52:53.231+03:002014-06-29T05:52:53.231+03:00Jesterhead45: Don't know where you got the id...Jesterhead45: Don't know where you got the idea about what my opinion of the rebirth of Israel (state) is. Of course, the state is all part of Hashem's plans as everything is from Shamayim. Who ever said anything about the birth of the State? H' works in mysterious ways and do believe this is the way we were able to come back home as a nation. Your topic was about Moshiach and my response is about the Jewish belief in Moshiach, which has nothing to do with other alien beliefs or even the non-Torah viewpoints of those within our midst. Here, you are speaking of chareidim, many of which are extremists and live in their own little world. Afraid many don't want Moshiach (like the spies in the desert who were happy living in the desert) and are in a way the other side of the coin of the Erev Rav (bad) who definitely are trying to withhold the coming of Moshiach. Forget about the three oaths, another phony reason, for holding up the geulah - that's been debunked and explained myriad of times. Between the Erev Zeir (extremists) and the Erev Rav, the battle continues, but in the end, it is H' who is pulling all the strings. Moshiach will be here much sooner than later. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />tAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-66043108579541112942014-06-27T19:00:16.023+03:002014-06-27T19:00:16.023+03:00Anonymous - 27/6/14 5:10 PM
Then how do you recon...Anonymous - 27/6/14 5:10 PM<br /><br />Then how do you reconcile on the one hand Torah True Jews who (even if they are not undying state loyalists) believe that for all its big flaws the reestablishment of Israel in its land is the first flowering of the Geulah process and the beginning of the end of exile (even if the Erev Rav is doing its best to undo it), yet on the other hand there are Torah True Jews (especially considering recent events) who believe the reestablishment of Israel in its land is a curse even if the 2nd of the Three Oaths was fulfilled (albeit insincerely by the nations) whilst the 3rd of the Three Oaths was outright violated (by the Nations considering the many millions of Jews who perished from Bar Kokhba to the Shoah)? <br /><br /><br /><br />Jesterhead45https://www.blogger.com/profile/06569998708665000668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-47095489319270454732014-06-27T17:10:32.209+03:002014-06-27T17:10:32.209+03:00Jesterhead45: What I am trying to do is explain t...Jesterhead45: What I am trying to do is explain that all those 'denominations' (i.e., reform movement, conservative, reconstructionist, socialists, & all the isms you can think of) are all invalid! They have no connection to Torah/Judaism! Therefore, doesn't matter how they see or look at things. The evils of the isms derive from the Erev Rav within our midst and caused the Jews to sin. The only truth is in Torah and no matter if the true Torah Jew is an Ashkkenazi, Sephardi, Chosid, Mitnaged, Yeshivish or call it what you may, they all have ONE hashkafah (there are many ways of intepretation, but they are really all the same, as it all comes down from Sinai). Jews were thrown to the four corners of the earth and, therefore, have different customs, & thus was born the chosid, the mitnaged, the ashkenazi, sephardi, but the Torah is one, for the one real Jewish nation, and there is not an iota of difference in its true interpretation since receiving the Torah m'Sinai from Moshe Rabbeinu. So, you need to forget all the rest. Just rely on what a truly Torah, G-D fearing Rabbi teaches and forget the rest. Everything else has been the influence of the nations and its mores on the Jewish people over two millenia. (Our sages have foretold that in these days preceding the arrival of Moshiach T'zdkeinu, there will even be many so-called religious rabbis who are from the ErevRav, that is why we need to be careful. When you read of a too 'liberal' orthodox rabbi, 'beware'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-39477302214793845112014-06-27T07:54:46.494+03:002014-06-27T07:54:46.494+03:00Anonymous 26/6/14 5:21 PM & 9.24
Not agreeing...Anonymous 26/6/14 5:21 PM & 9.24<br /><br />Not agreeing with that notion of universalism, merely my subjective interpretation of what secular or even some (not all) religious Jews (particularly the pro-dialogue / pro-interfaith types - yes they exist) and some non-Jews might subscribe to at heart when they envision universal peace on Earth (not that I agree with it).<br /><br />As for True Torah Judaism given the many seemingly contradictory outlooks / hashkafas and minhagim / customs of many feuding Jewish groups with their own leaders who each claim a monopoly on the truth, my issue is who represents True Torah Judaism?<br /><br />Are you defining True Torah Judaism based on a particular hashkafah / minhag that only a sole Jewish sect embodies over other Torah True Jewish groups who are no less faithful to traditional Jewish values or are you defining it based on all Jewish groups that adhere Torah Judaism? <br /> <br /> Jesterhead45https://www.blogger.com/profile/06569998708665000668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-48745849111383033372014-06-26T21:24:45.928+03:002014-06-26T21:24:45.928+03:00Also, adding to Jesterhead45's comment - to en...Also, adding to Jesterhead45's comment - to enlighten you about today's Jews and their opinions or theories - it must be emphasized that, unfortunately, most of world Jewry is completely ignorant of all things Jewish. To very many, r'l, chicken soup is their idea of Judaism. But, B'H, those who are sincere Torah learners, know and understand true Judaism and, thankfully, they are growing in numbers. There is only one Torah and the day will come where all true Jews will be united in heart and mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-73463894831690143412014-06-26T17:21:57.118+03:002014-06-26T17:21:57.118+03:00Jesterhead45: True Torah Judaism does not interpr...Jesterhead45: True Torah Judaism does not interpret your version of universalism, if I understand you correctly. Torah teaches us that when our righteous Moshiach comes, he will be the representative (servant) for Hashem, Creator of the Universe. Moshiach will be king over the earth's rulers and all the nations(bnei Noach) will recognize that there is Only Hashem, no other. They will make pilgrimage to Jersusalem on Succot and pay homage to the G-D of all creation. There will be peace on earth and no more fear of any evils, physically or spiritually. Truly, the lamb will be able to live side by side with the lion. There will be the Jewish nation, all living in the whole Land of Israel, and the rest of the world living in their countries with the belief in the One and Only True G-D, Hashem. This is the Jewish belief! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-30560425821327011022014-06-26T07:16:16.403+03:002014-06-26T07:16:16.403+03:00Devash
I see, for some reason it just comes acros...Devash<br /><br />I see, for some reason it just comes across as sectarian (where one religious Jewish group's outlook triumphs over other religious groups outlook) rather than merely against a universalized one-world system.<br /><br />Yet there does seem to exist a notion amongst some segments of Jews (whether secular or religious) who subscribe to a sort of universalized "Abrahamism" where all religions are one (with even non-Abrahamic faiths such as Hinduism etc viewed as being of Abrahamic lineage via his concubines who were sent east) along with all other distinctions (national. ethnic, etc) though the main motivation amongst such Jews, like with the hold Socialism had on some Jews over a century before seems to be nothing more than a excuse for them to cast off their Sinaic burden as it were and finally be accepted by the rest of the world.<br /><br />Unfortunately while all of us wish to live in a peaceful utopian world, for a few Jews it does not entail that the Jewish redemptive version be 100% realized. Jesterhead45https://www.blogger.com/profile/06569998708665000668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-71316320654313923712014-06-25T23:15:44.946+03:002014-06-25T23:15:44.946+03:00Devash: Agree with you. It's already in the ...Devash: Agree with you. It's already in the works where they're trying to make a world religion, a mixture of religions. Too bad, they don't understand Judaism is not a religion - it is the Eternal Truth. There is no such word as religion in Torah; everything other than Torah is avodah zorah. Their moshiach is the complete opposite of our true Moshiach (Moshiach T'zdkeinu). <br />Milchamah neged Hashem! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-16098010292296134092014-06-25T19:11:02.852+03:002014-06-25T19:11:02.852+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17998980953874414973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-78811122649850073882014-06-25T17:10:20.111+03:002014-06-25T17:10:20.111+03:00I really can't answer for Binyamin, but I woul...I really can't answer for Binyamin, but I would guess something like a world figure who promises peace and prosperity by all becoming one. And the Torah Jews will be the only ones to refuse thus making them the only obstacle to their plan and hence the enemies of mankind and this is what will precipitate GoguMagog. My opinion.Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-31872233306111614392014-06-25T16:31:35.258+03:002014-06-25T16:31:35.258+03:00"Then, everyone will be waiting for Mashiach,..."Then, everyone will be waiting for Mashiach, but only the real Jews. The others - can't understand this idea at all. They will be waiting for the mashiach of the wicked Because, also they, so to speak, 'are waiting for Mashiach.' But their mashiach will be like 'another type of mashiach.'"<br /><br />What mashiach of the wicked is he referring to? <br /><br />- The "one world religion" type messiah founded in order to both usurp and absorb Judaism or some secular pseudo-messiah figure? <br /><br />- Armilus (though Peres or Obama played that role)? <br /><br />- MBY whose potential murder after defeating our enemies will shake our faith further? <br /><br />Trying to reconcile with what he is saying with the notion I recall in some Jewish sources that like Moses and David (upon becoming King), Moshiach (either MBY or MBD) will not be immediately accepted by the Jewish people as their leader / redeemer. <br /><br /><br />Jesterhead45https://www.blogger.com/profile/06569998708665000668noreply@blogger.com