tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post2635368863494497755..comments2024-03-28T21:03:56.653+02:00Comments on TOMER DEVORAH: Parshat Shoftim 5774 IIDevorah Chayahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-71361928272712309372014-09-02T12:07:20.993+03:002014-09-02T12:07:20.993+03:00Anonymous 2:14 -- Apology accepted, of course.
I d...Anonymous 2:14 -- Apology accepted, of course.<br />I do think it's good that you emphasized that "Yishmael is pereh adam and Esav is the big deceiver."<br />It's an important reminder because Esav really does look so clean and genteel in comparison to Yishmael. <br />But on the alternative Conservative sites that are run and commented on predominately by Christians (Michael Snyder being the exception), I was shocked at how sympathetic they are toward Muslims while bashing Israel and Jews in general. This is even as Muslims brutalize and exterminate entire communities of their fellow Christians. Ultimately, Esav has no loyalty even to his own in the face of Yishmael's bloodfest -- I guess because they deep down share the same disregard of tzelem Elokim. Of course, these same Edomite people claim to be siding against Judaism with Yishmaelite savagery out of compassion and truth. That actually says a lot about their definition of compassion and truth.Dassienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-26298205808243378842014-09-02T02:14:03.590+03:002014-09-02T02:14:03.590+03:00Sorry, Dassie, misunderstood. Sorry, Dassie, misunderstood. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-3247162877821838432014-09-01T22:49:39.004+03:002014-09-01T22:49:39.004+03:00To Anonymous 8:45 -- No, I don't believe the b...To Anonymous 8:45 -- No, I don't believe the bloodlust is less with Eisav. I reread my comment and I don't see how you got that from what I wrote.Dassienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-71623298608833010472014-09-01T20:45:56.062+03:002014-09-01T20:45:56.062+03:00Dassie: Do you really believe that the bloodlust ...Dassie: Do you really believe that the bloodlust is less with Esav than with Yishmael; the difference being Yishmael is pereh adam and Esav is the big deceiver. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-63718757728656298802014-09-01T20:43:40.993+03:002014-09-01T20:43:40.993+03:00Firstly, we have to understand that in the times w...Firstly, we have to understand that in the times when we had a Sanhedrin, there was a hardly a time when anyone was executed. Jewish law always makes it difficult for this to happen. There had to be two witnesses, never one, etc., etc. Jewish Law is Hashem's Laws; thus there can be no greater compassion on the face of the earth. We, His children, are rachmanim, bnei rachmanim.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-12086504636636049292014-09-01T10:28:09.106+03:002014-09-01T10:28:09.106+03:00CDG -- your comment reminds me about how Edom is a...CDG -- your comment reminds me about how Edom is always trying to look oh-so kosher on the outside while being totally treif on the inside.<br />Western movies and TV have become progressively more violent and the violence, blood, and gore progressively more realistic. Even today's children's movies can feature a truly horrifying scene among all the innocent stuff. There is no difference at this point between watching the fake stuff and seeing the real thing.<br />Not to mention the Edomite love of boxing and wrestling matches.<br />Yet these same people will proclaim their pride in how society has evolved and become more sensitive because we no longer perform public executions.<br />Well, I guess the French are now getting their bloodlust via the Yishmaelim, like you said.Dassienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-46536397287458164952014-08-31T13:26:43.739+03:002014-08-31T13:26:43.739+03:00In Biblical times, we had Neviim and the entire na...In Biblical times, we had Neviim and the entire nation was frum and knew the Torah was from Hashem. If someone felt like doing a death-penalty aveira, the transgressor first of all knew it was wrong (no alternative "Judaism" or secularists around to mess with your mind) and could go to a Navi for guidance and advice. And there was the whole issue of the person doing it before witnesses, etc. My understanding is that for someone to commit such capital transgressions under those circumstances demonstrates a hopelessly fallen person.<br /><br />Prior to the execution, the criminal was drugged so as not to feel any emotional or physical pain, which is vastly more merciful than any execution carried out today in the USA and most other places. (There have been issues with the lethal injection in that the criminal is in pain, but cannot express it.)<br /><br />We would never be able to put together a qualified Sanhedrin today to decide capital cases. We simply do not have sages of the same caliber as existed in, say, Talmudic times, let alone the times we had Neviim.<br /><br />My understanding also is that it is much harder to hold today's people accountable because there is so much confusion, even among committed Jews, as to what is really right and what is truly wrong in certain areas.Dassienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-89501780479955552222014-08-31T12:59:45.836+03:002014-08-31T12:59:45.836+03:00For that matter, the French were still chopping of...For that matter, the French were still chopping off heads until the late 1970s according to the article referred to by Anon 29/8/14 6:03 PM! They just did it in private.<br /><br />The last one might possibly have been a Muslim (tho the article doesn't say) - Hamida Djandoubi was executed on September 10, 1977.<br /><br />They stopped public executions only because crowds - according to their media - were becoming unruly and disgusting (including women dipping their handkerchiefs in the blood!) and the French decided that public executions weren't having the deterrent effect they were expected to. So what's stopping them now? <br /><br />I wonder whether sensitivity has to do with it. We Jews are taught by our many laws that sensitivity is a highly-valued trait. A few other cultures in the world also do likewise, especially in the Far East, but most do not. So, while our death penalties are harsh, we hope they will be very few and very far between - what with the opportunities we have to turn from our wicked ways and return to HaShem. As for the goyim, it seems rather the opposite. The Yishmaeli openly-displayed bloodlust is arousing that of the Edomi as well, although the latter still wish to keep it hidden.<br /><br />Teshuva does not seem to be mentioned in the Torah in this context, but I wonder also whether the opportunity would be granted.<br /><br />CDG, YerushalayimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-29691515379349937252014-08-29T18:03:48.949+03:002014-08-29T18:03:48.949+03:00The French were still chopping off heads in public...The French were still chopping off heads in public until less than a hundred years ago.<br /><br /><a href="http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/last-public-execution-guillotine-france-1939/" rel="nofollow">The last public execution by guillotine, France, 1939</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-71449369704477060502014-08-29T17:12:18.177+03:002014-08-29T17:12:18.177+03:00Moriah No, we are not ISIS and I don't think ...Moriah No, we are not ISIS and I don't think this is a serious question. This is the death penalty as carried out after due process in a court of law. How is it any different from hanging or the gas chamber or the electric chair or lethal injection? Do these things bother you, too? Good! THAT is the difference between us and them. They enjoy it. We don't. Neither we nor Hashem wants to see people punished, but if the law is broken and Hashem has deemed it worthy of death, we don't have the option to disobey. Hashem knows better than we do how to go about exercising justice in the world that He created.Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-27759684055493428162014-08-29T16:37:26.732+03:002014-08-29T16:37:26.732+03:00So why don't we practice polygamy? Are we ISIS...So why don't we practice polygamy? Are we ISIS now that we line them up and kill them in the streets?Moriahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10031303390387367887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-52848622329054904532014-08-29T13:38:26.073+03:002014-08-29T13:38:26.073+03:00Yes, because the Torah doesn't change.Yes, because the Torah doesn't change. Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-90081990853340090132014-08-29T12:59:49.044+03:002014-08-29T12:59:49.044+03:00Seriously, are these harsh punishments (eg. stonin...Seriously, are these harsh punishments (eg. stoning) for desecration of biblical law, still applicable, practicably speaking, in today's world?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com