tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post1291160121066080845..comments2024-03-28T21:03:56.653+02:00Comments on TOMER DEVORAH: War on Another Front - Part 1Devorah Chayahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-88416396599805404492013-07-19T09:19:46.856+03:002013-07-19T09:19:46.856+03:00Vincent - Believe me when I say, I can truly sympa...Vincent - Believe me when I say, I can truly sympathize with you. But, you should know that the inferior position you find yourself in today means only that when the world goes right side up again, you will be on top and not the bottom.Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-10093852840274822302013-07-18T21:03:07.075+03:002013-07-18T21:03:07.075+03:00He goes on and tells Xians who do not think they h...He goes on and tells Xians who do not think they have any connection to the ten tribes that they must attach themselves to "one house or the other" - either Judah or Ephraim - and along with this attachment they can lay claim to the following:<br /><br /><i>...Once a Christian has been awakened to his spiritual identity as a full-fledged member of the house of Israel, it will be easier for him to relate to his Israelite heritage - Israel's Torah,Israel's Sabbath, Israel's history. Because the Christian is joined to Israel's Messiah, he is also joined to Israel. Israel's Torah, Israel's Sabbath, and Israel's history also become his Torah, his Sabbath, his history. He has not stolen these things from the Jews. He has inherited them by means of his adoption into the house of Israel through Israel's Messiah.</i>Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-1809991639635349392013-07-18T20:57:03.832+03:002013-07-18T20:57:03.832+03:00Additional note to above: He is a friend of Tommy...Additional note to above: He is a friend of Tommy Waller and was invited by Waller to speak to his people.Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-78049325728785311052013-07-18T20:55:03.000+03:002013-07-18T20:55:03.000+03:00One prominent 'Messianic'/Ephraimite leade...One prominent 'Messianic'/Ephraimite leader proposes that Ephraimite theology be used to evangelize Jews:<br /><br /><i>We should be aware of the fact that Orthodox Jews do expect Mashiach (Messiah) to regather the twelve tribes. Perhaps it could be pointed out to them that the descendants of the tribes are indeed being regathered from among the Gentile nations as they come to Yeshua and into the Messianic Community. Centuries ago, when virtually all Gentile Christians just lived a typical Catholic or Protestant lifestyle, the suggestion would not have been so feasible. But now that so many Gentile Christians are embracing the Torah, honoring the true Sabbath, and celebrating the Biblical Feasts, the idea may not seem too far-fetched for Orthodox Jews to consider it. (Some already do believe it, by the way.) And if they are persuaded that many of these "Messianic Gentiles" are really descendants of the ten northern tribes and are awakening to their Israelite identity because of their faith in Yeshua of Nazareth, then they might also be persuaded to consider His Messianic claims more seriously than they did in the past, when they viewed Christianity as just another pagan religion.</i>Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-63507282476199360682013-07-18T17:28:07.660+03:002013-07-18T17:28:07.660+03:00Daniel - Quite a few gentiles came to halachic con...Daniel - Quite a few gentiles came to halachic conversion by way of the 'messianic' movement starting in the eighties. By the end of the nineties, most of those who were going to complete the journey had already done so. The people who branched off into this Ephraimite movement did so because their minds were not open to the truth. They went after yet another lie. <br /><br />However, Jews have no allowance from the Torah to bring those still involved with idolatrous worship (or even proven Noahides for that matter) into the Holy Land to live among us in the hope that they might convert. That is simply and absolutely forbidden by all kinds of Torah law.Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-7908761670995747432013-07-18T13:03:18.881+03:002013-07-18T13:03:18.881+03:00Are these people daft?
This is heartbreaking and m...Are these people daft?<br />This is heartbreaking and mindpuzzling. Something is terribly wrong! If anyone should be allowed to settle, it should be the Noahides, especially those who might be in danger because they might be looked at as being Jewish by the hostile gentile world. Because of their outspoken worldview, their looks, and or, their surnames. This is all bad enough as it is, with plenty of suffering, but to add insult to injury - since they (me) are not being asked to come over. But these loonies are, and they are showerd with honor. I can't get this URL translated but this is 18 pages full of J's "new testament" mistakes, faults, falseries, deliberate mistakes, inconsistancies, and unlogical statements etc. And that's why they didn't want the flock to read the bible, but now there is internet!!<br />https://sites.google.com/site/bergzion <br />Just bombard these people with that untill hell freezes over, and demand an apology for their own souls sake!!<br />I sent it to my mom a while ago mind you, and asked here recently what she thought about it. She said that some things were right but she had some questions about some other issues, and she didn't want to talk about it really. She is a Dutch remonstrant X tian. Did you ever hear about that?<br /> Why does she still believe in those lies? Try to help her, can do only so much!!vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11154245436599417606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-18776096982530339402013-07-18T05:29:56.651+03:002013-07-18T05:29:56.651+03:00What is the possibility that these 'ephraimite...What is the possibility that these 'ephraimites' may be won to the truth of Hashem through Torah and Neviim ? Surely Truth will win in the end!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15013451525947000181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-28401914122076210162013-07-18T00:48:30.806+03:002013-07-18T00:48:30.806+03:00why is not conceivable that these so-called 'e...why is not conceivable that these so-called 'ephraimites' will in the end find truth of Hashem as written in Torah and Neviim and be converted?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15013451525947000181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-45287331684671781272013-07-17T23:31:29.868+03:002013-07-17T23:31:29.868+03:00already sent an email to this area to find out abo...already sent an email to this area to find out about housing / employment for our aliyah. We will certainly work against these no goodersGoldieZPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11417548124184678390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2492192659601155685.post-41854855149327332842013-07-17T18:30:52.507+03:002013-07-17T18:30:52.507+03:00If they were permitted to make aliyah, then they a...If they were permitted to make aliyah, then they are Israeli ~ Idolaters ~ but Israeli, most likely not of Shevet Efrayim, but similarly Idolatrous, ergo why they are attracted to Shomron, alluding to the multiple Calves incidents, hint, hint, besides their Pining for donations from a broad.<br /><br />If it's any consolation, the "Messianic" community is not flourishing as far as congregants go (their leaders are aging), but they are receiving donations from a broad.<br /><br />Being too nice. ≒1,000,000,000 indebted Westerners are in trouble. It would be better to note the numerous plagues continuously pummeling ≒1,000,000,000 Westerners.<br /><br />It would be educational were "Messianic" Israelis taught greater constriction, but that's my strict Asian side typing.<br /><br />What should be at the very least noted is B'nei Menashe: clarifying their official Rabbinical recognition will demystify and consume Intoxicated Nations on the cusp of Death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com